BP&W with Integrated Weights?

[cnidae]

Can you ditch that weight in an emergency?

Why would you ever want to ditch your weight?

 

[ElectricZombie]

So does this mean that the ACB's are DIR, or does it mean that Halcyon sells not DIR approved gear?

Halcyon does sell gear that is not DIR.

 

[kidspot]

I know I'm not even a "newbie" yet - but I'm sitting here reading Jarrod Jablonski's "Doing it Right: Fundamentals" book and on page 93 he "seems" to endorse the ACB system. . .

"removable weight that allows divers to remove some of their weight (as opposed to all at once time) allows greater control over a bouyant ascent. This weighting may take the form of a removable canister used with a weight belt, or may utilize the Active Control Ballast System which allows divers to remove half of their ballast"
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Since this is the DIR "textbook" wouldn't that seem to indicate that the ACB is DIR? Or am I missing something?


P.S. It's great reading so far - and a very nicely published book - a neighbors 5 year old even sat and looked through all the pictures going "cool"

 

[divegeek]

Nope. Nondicthable. Though I guess you could ditch if you put them on the waistband. Even then it wouldn't be ideal if you need ditchable weight. They're also pretty small pockets, so if you need a good bit of weight, they wouldn't be useful.

I put one on each side of my waist band. You COULD mount them upside down and secure them with a bungee to make them ditchable

 

[JPBECK]

Hey Mod: He just said the B word... It hurt my eyes to read Bungee! Ouch I did it again!

 

[divegeek]

Hey Mod: He just said the B word... It hurt my eyes to read Bungee! Ouch I did it again!

Ok, clue me in. What did I do?

 

[JPBECK]

I was kidding--- You know Bungee's are related (or was once related) to OMS. OMS put bungees on everything. Bad Joke sorry====I saw the new OMS single bladders the other day, they look almost identical to the Halcyon's Eclipes--- I liked it. Few minor differences ---

 

[Doc Intrepid]

I know I'm not even a "newbie" yet - but I'm sitting here reading Jarrod Jablonski's "Doing it Right: Fundamentals" book and on page 93 he "seems" to endorse the ACB system. . .

"removable weight that allows divers to remove some of their weight (as opposed to all at once time) allows greater control over a bouyant ascent. This weighting may take the form of a removable canister used with a weight belt, or may utilize the Active Control Ballast System which allows divers to remove half of their ballast"
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Since this is the DIR "textbook" wouldn't that seem to indicate that the ACB is DIR? Or am I missing something?

Kidspot,

The purpose, ostensibly, of "ditching weight" is to allow the diver to rise to the surface in a situation where that seems to be a real good thing to do.

[Lets leave aside any debates about that for the moment.]

Now lets suppose you're in an overhead environment. Say, perhaps, inside a wreck or cave.

Do you think that "ditching weight" would make sense inside an overhead environment?

What about if you have incurred a decompression obligation that will kill you or put you in a wheelchair if you surface. Does "ditching weight" seem to be an option?

What might be a rational act in one environment is not necessarily a rational act in other environments. Therefore, what is "Doing It Right" in one environment isn't DIR in another.

ACBs may make sense in circumstances where a diver may wish to "ditch 1/2 their ballast". Such circumstances are rare in technical diving.

 

[Rick Inman]

I put two of these on my wife's lower tankband.

http://s1059kxm.leisurepro.com/webapp/commerce/command/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=72782&prmenbr=946

She hates weight belts as they sit right on point where she had back surgery a few years ago. I imagine you could also place them on your waistband.

Not too sure what defines "ditch-able" vs. "non-ditch-able". I have two of these pockets on my waist. They will take 5 pounds each (tight fit). I have 2 pounds in each right now.
For a rec diver to ditch his/her weight belt, PADI teaches to slap your hips, run your hands forward to the weight belt clasp, release the clasp, hold belt dangling down with arm straight out to the side and release. I (or a buddy) can rip open the Velcro pockets and toss out my weight easier than that.
Of course, this all assumes I need my weight ditched at all.

 

[reubencahn]

Not too sure what defines "ditch-able" vs. "non-ditch-able". I have two of these pockets on my waist. They will take 5 pounds each (tight fit). I have 2 pounds in each right now.
For a rec diver to ditch his/her weight belt, PADI teaches to slap your hips, run your hands forward to the weight belt clasp, release the clasp, hold belt dangling down with arm straight out to the side and release. I (or a buddy) can rip open the Velcro pockets and toss out my weight easier than that.
Of course, this all assumes I need my weight ditched at all.

My wife's are mounted on her tankband which would be a difficult reach, though possibly it could be done. I guess I had assumed that even if you could reach them, it would be hard to get your fingers around the weights to pull them out. I can't say I've ever actually tried.