a22shady
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You will be happy with Halcyon System. I have its a great Piece and Wayne is a great guy
BP/w setup question
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Mattleycrue76
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Scuga you're right Golem gear rocks! I am not affiliated in ant way BTW but the deals they have right now are smokin. $360 for a comlpete BP/W combo.
Might I suggest just a simple HOG harness? You onlhave to adjust it once, after that it's the easiest, simplest, cheapest thing you could use. I started out with an adjustable "deluxe" harness but ended up not needing any of the adjustible options. It just kept getting in the way. Now I'm happy with a single piece of 2" webbing, a buckle, and a few D rings.
Might I suggest just a simple HOG harness? You onlhave to adjust it once, after that it's the easiest, simplest, cheapest thing you could use. I started out with an adjustable "deluxe" harness but ended up not needing any of the adjustible options. It just kept getting in the way. Now I'm happy with a single piece of 2" webbing, a buckle, and a few D rings.
If you are looking for an adjustable harness, consider our G2 harness. It has been around for seveal years, used in some tough environments.
G2 adjustable diving harness
we also have in the combo
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From the GUE website: A diver's harness should be rigged from one piece of webbing and should have no quick-release buckles or other failure points. Though plastic quick-release buckles seem to simplify the process of getting into and out of one's dive gear, these savings are illusory, putting a diver at greater risk that s/he would be without it. In many cases this could prove fatal
The cinch is a "quick release". They are selling you an item they claim could be "fatal".
Seems sort of weird.
The Golem Gear has quick releases as well but of course is not noted in the GUE website.
diver 85
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To all interested, be sure & give Edd a call @ Cave Adventurers--he usually has great prices, carries mainly DR I believe......
EDIT: ie I bought mine last year about this time when he was having a good sale going on--alum BP/wing, harness with crotch strap, & 2 delrin cam straps for under 250.....
EDIT: ie I bought mine last year about this time when he was having a good sale going on--alum BP/wing, harness with crotch strap, & 2 delrin cam straps for under 250.....
Yes and no.
It is not so much a quick release as it is a roller system that allows a one piece webbing to slide though the slot at the waist. That enables the shoulder straps to be adjusted via that lower slots on the plates by pulling on the waist straps. And to be fair, even if the roller broke, the strap will not detach from the plate.
To keep the waist D-rings in place, they live on little tails attached to the plate so that they remain stationary as the waist strap is shortened or lenghtened. In my opinion, this additional complexity is needed to make the adjustment system work but it is also additonal complexity that degrades the whole concept.
So, it is not technically a quick release. However plastic is involved and in my opinion, it greatly complicates a simple harness and resolves a non existant problem. In other words it is a total waste of money as there is zero need for the adjustment it offers and the added complexity just creates more to potentially go wrong.
Is it weird that Halycon is selling it? Not really. The GUE / DIR / Halcyon connection has weakened a lot in the last couple years. Halcyon is trying to make itself more appealing to purely recreational divers as well as to a broader spectrum of non kool-aid drinking technical divers and they no longer advertise a DIR connection. You will no longer see things like "Doing it right equipment company" or "DIR" on their label.
For reasons that totally escape me, they are selling tons of them however, so from a marketing persepctive it seems to be a success.
Mayor
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I have spent some time with the new Halcyon system and it's a very simple design. I find my self thinking about adding it to my BP for easy changes between the dry suit and the wet suit. Just getting lazy I guess. It is cheaper then having two rigs and would like to see new BP/W divers in the system. It can be removed at anytime a long the way!
Well, I'm not sure it's solving a nonexistent problem (the Cinch). I own three backplates, in large part because I'm simply too lazy to readjust stiff harness webbing when going from drysuit and thick undergarments to a thin wetsuit or drysuit with almost no undergarments. It may be cheaper and logistically better to make it easier to adjust one's harness. It is CERTAINLY a benefit for people who maintain rental fleets, or who teach in backplates.
The irony here is that many BP wing divers use tri glides or weight keepers on the webbing behind the plate to prevent it from sliding. The option has always been there to just leave them off to allow the webbing to slide in the slots.
I don't disagree with the value of being able to shorten the harness slightly when switching to a warm water exposure suit, but I'd prefer to just adjust as needed rather than adjust every time with a cinch system.
Personally, for switching between dry suit and 3mm wet suit, if I have to use the same plate, I split the difference and use smooth rather than toothed tri glides so that they stay put under normal use, but still allow the webbing to be pulled through the tri glides and plate for adjustments without a great deal of effort or rethreading.
And realistically, I use a SS plate for cold water and a AL plate for warm water anyway so a dedicated plate works better, and is not significantly more expensive than going with the cinch system.
I don't disagree with the value of being able to shorten the harness slightly when switching to a warm water exposure suit, but I'd prefer to just adjust as needed rather than adjust every time with a cinch system.
Personally, for switching between dry suit and 3mm wet suit, if I have to use the same plate, I split the difference and use smooth rather than toothed tri glides so that they stay put under normal use, but still allow the webbing to be pulled through the tri glides and plate for adjustments without a great deal of effort or rethreading.
And realistically, I use a SS plate for cold water and a AL plate for warm water anyway so a dedicated plate works better, and is not significantly more expensive than going with the cinch system.
Can you comment a bit on why the switch? Is it strictly a bouyancy thing with the different suits and all?
Also, I'd appreciate it if someone could comment in Dive Rite products, specifically their Travel27 EXP (I think that's the name of it) wing. Dive Gear Express has a pretty tempting (price wise anyway) package deal on what they are labeling a Hog BP/W setup. I'm ready to sip at the coolaid, too raw a beginner for big gulps but the plusses I've read about the equipment setup have me intrigued. I'm going to pull the trigger on a BP/W, a couple of add-ons, and some longer miflex hoses...I just need some one to tell me DR isn't the SCUBA Wally-Mart.
TIA
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