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[gkwaldee]

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That's just silly. The amount of gas you have on hand factors directly into your decision. If you don't have enough gas it doesn't matter how bad you want to get in the water.





Cornfed

What would be silly would be going back down without enough gas. I have read many stories about someone dying because they "forgot" or "didnt account for" gas. I read a report on DAN about a kid that went back down so he could have the deepest depth on his gauge compared to his buddies. He drowned because his tank went empty at 135.............Silly people do silly things.

But thats not what I said, I said the opposite.........gas is just one of the factors one must consider. The point was the other factors lying in wait for the uneducated diver

Hell, theres a thread on this site that speaks about a guy going to 251 with a single 80.........I wouldnt do that either.

I am certainly not condoning, nor am I saying Id attempt a IWR. Just having a discussion about diving on a dive related forum..

BTW, Im not on the mainland..........Im stationed on Guam, so if you ever get over this way.........lemme know. Maybe I can help with your arrangements.

Anyway, this has gotten WAY off topic.

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[MikeS]

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The real problem with IWR is that if you develop a problem at depth you may drown.

That’s the key. The bends can be treated, death by drowning can’t. DCS symptoms include mental confusion and unconsciousness among others. The loss of motor function is also possible which would make it difficult to get back on the boat. If you're bent enough to need recompression, you probably shouldn’t be in the water.

The only situation where I can envision IWR making sense is somewhere when a chamber is not available and there are plenty of skilled support divers to supervise the hang.

Back to the original post; based on Dreamin’s story it sounds like a case of panic caused by task overloading resulting from inexperience and unfamiliarity with new equipment. It happens all the time in OW classes. Most of the time, an Instructor or DM will grab them before they get away.

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[cornfed]

gkwaldee once bubbled...

What would be silly would be going back down without enough gas. I have read many stories about someone dying because they "forgot" or "didnt account for" gas.

I still don't think this a good reason not to address IWR. With respect to gas, IWR is just like planning another dive. If you can't plan the proper amount of gas to meet the objectives of the dive then you shouldn't be making the dive. It doesn't matter if the objective is IWR or floating around at 30 ft for half an hour looking at the fishies. If you can't plan the dive you should be attempting it. I have not doubt you understand my point.

I read a report on DAN about a kid that went back down so he could have the deepest depth on his gauge compared to his buddies. He drowned because his tank went empty at 135.............Silly people do silly things.

Rodale's has a similar article in there Lessons for Life section. Is this the same bozo? Just curious.

But thats not what I said, I said the opposite.........gas is just one of the factors one must consider. The point was the other factors lying in wait for the uneducated diver

Oh, I agree. My point was that those other factors are not a reason for not covering IWR. You have to teach new divers everything they need to know about the effects of hyperbarics. If you wanted to teach IWR in OW class you could easily address all the decompression physiology they needed to know at the same time. You couldn't teach the class in one weekend, but you certainly could cover it all.

Hell, theres a thread on this site that speaks about a guy going to 251 with a single 80.........I wouldnt do that either.

I am certainly not condoning, nor am I saying Id attempt a IWR. Just having a discussion about diving on a dive related forum..

I really enjoy discussing and debating online because it gives me access to a lot more people and a wider range of view points. The thing I hate is the nagging feeling that someone out there is going to get hurt and say, "but I read online that..."

BTW, Im not on the mainland..........Im stationed on Guam,

Stationed with who? My sister and brother-in-law are in the Air Force (not in Guam). He's a BMD pilot... he flies a Big Mahogany Desk!

so if you ever get over this way.........lemme know. Maybe I can help with your arrangements.

Thanks, I appreciate the offer. When you're back stateside if you're in the DC area drop me a line. I'll show you some diving to help you appreciate how good you have it over there!

Anyway, this has gotten WAY off topic.

Happens all the time offline too...

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[gkwaldee]

cornfed once bubbled...


I still don't think this a good reason not to address IWR.

I dont think IWR belongs in an OW course, Rescue at the earliest. Most SMART new divers have no use for the concept of IWR anyway, or at least they shouldnt.

cornfed once bubbled...

Rodale's has a similar article in there Lessons for Life section. Is this the same bozo? Just curious.

The very same, I possibly got the site wrong in my post.

cornfed once bubbled...

Oh, I agree. My point was that those other factors are not a reason for not covering IWR. You have to teach new divers everything they need to know about the effects of hyperbarics. If you wanted to teach IWR in OW class you could easily address all the decompression physiology they needed to know at the same time. You couldn't teach the class in one weekend, but you certainly could cover it all.

Let them learn trim, bouyancy, gas conservation, navigation, and the like first. Its just too much information for the guy/gal that has a problem keeping their face underewater to worry about at that juncture. Besides, the industry would never do that because that would mean longer classes, which means reduced revenues....lol

cornfed once bubbled...

I really enjoy discussing and debating online because it gives me access to a lot more people and a wider range of view points. The thing I hate is the nagging feeling that someone out there is going to get hurt and say, "but I read online that..."

"I read that online" is one of the reasons I'm attached to this board..........just one more medium to learn from.

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Stationed with who? My sister and brother-in-law are in the Air Force (not in Guam). He's a BMD pilot... he flies a Big Mahogany Desk!

Im a Submariner in the US Navy.........Im on a fast attack here

cornfed once bubbled...

Thanks, I appreciate the offer. When you're back stateside if you're in the DC area drop me a line. I'll show you some diving to help you appreciate how good you have it over there!

I aint diving in the same pool Forest and Jenny hugged in.........no tellin what happened after the cameras got turned off. lol

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