Question Balanced Rigs, Harnesses, and Emergency Scenarios

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Ryan Neely

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TL;DR: How do you doff your rig at the surface after a total buoyancy failure of both drysuit and wing if you're rig doesn't carry enough ditchable weight to make you buoyant on the surface?

My wife and I are recreational divers (for now), but we've been diving a backplate and wing and a long hose configuration since taking Fundies shortly after our Open Water certification about six years ago. We love the gear configuration for a multitude of reasons that aren't important to this post. Suffice it to say, it's the way we prefer to dive.

Recently, a triad of events have driven me to examine my gear configuration ... specifically, weighting requirements and positioning.

We dive predominately in cold water. I become cold quite easily, so I tend to wear thick undergarments. Right now, diving with a stainless steel backplate, a weight-integrated single tank adapter, and a single aluminum cylinder, I seem to be properly weighted with an additional fourteen pounds added to my harness.

I still consider this a balanced rig. I can swim up that weight easily and I can remain at a ten foot stop with a nearly empty cylinder without problems.

One of the things I've been working on this year is trim weight placement. I have a tendency to pitch head up when stationary in the water column, so I've been trying to distribute the weight (and raise my tank valve) to be somewhere closer to between my shoulder blades to counteract this pitching movement. So far, this has helped (though I suspect I need to work a bit more on core activation to really dial it in).

Where this leaves, however, is with a total of six pounds of ditchable weight.

This has never bothered me before. I had always taken the stance that when we moved to back mounted doubles, the amount of weight I would carry from a second cylinder would be equivalent to the amount of weight I wear in pockets (trim, ditchable, or otherwise).

Recently, however, I've been working toward a PADI Divemaster rating. This process has reminded me of some of the many skills we are taught through PADI's Open Water course that I have since forgotten or decided were not valuable. In particular, the skill of removing and replacement of the BCD while in the water (either at depth or on the surface in water too deep to stand).

I've never understood why anyone would want to remove their entire rig at depth (but that is a debate for a different thread). Doing so on the surface, however, seems like a sensible thing to be able to do for a couple of reason.

This led me to question two things:

1.) In light of the balanced rig concept, just because I could swim the weight I carry to the surface, that doesn't necessarily mean that I would be able to float on the surface with that weight in the event of a total buoyancy failure (drysuit and wing).​
2.) Were a total buoyancy failure to happen and I was able to make it to the surface, I'm not certain I would be capable of getting out of my harness to ditch my rig.​

In my mind, there are two things that would hinder this process:

First, the weight of the rig itself (and all of the non-ditchable weight) pulls the harness down onto my shoulders such that trying to doff the unit as if the harness were a coat--pulling the harness wide to slip down my shoulders--is a challenge without some kind of counter support (especially should the harness get caught up on other equipment like dive computers, compasses, or my drysuit exhaust valve).​
Second, trying to push a hand under the harness toward the centerline of my body in order to free one arm at a time no longer seems feasible given the massive dry glove rings on my suit (and the ones on my Santi drysuit are relatively small compared to the locking rings on something like an SI Tech glove system). I believe this second method is a part of the reason we are advised to make sure we can slip a fist through the harness when sizing it--to be able to push an arm through if necessary. This actually works quite well in a wetsuit, but I don't think it will work at all with a dry glove system.​

So, here are my questions:

1.) How do you all handle or prepare for a total buoyancy failure with a heavy rig (be it from weight in pockets or from diving a twinset)?​
2.) Am I missing (or have I forgotten) something obvious here that would make this concern make sense?​

Thanks for your considered thoughts and opinions.
 
TL,DR

Cut the harness. Wasn’t that covered in fundies?
 
What scenario would result in a failure of both drysuit and wing? And where's your buddy while all this is happening?

Anyway, the answer to your question is cut the harness. You could also inflate DSMB and wrap it around yourself. But really, cut the harness.

How negative are your fins? Moving a couple of pounds from your feet to your waist will help both your trim and your ditchable weight problems.
 
trying to push a hand under the harness toward the centerline of my body in order to free one arm at a time no longer seems feasible given the massive dry glove rings on my suit
Shoulder straps are too tight.

If you lose wing and suit inflation and you're unable to stay on the surface, just ditch the rig (or give it to your buddy, or clip it to the DSMB you or your buddy may have deployed earlier).
 
For your DM work where you will remove the rig at depth (this simulates an entanglement issue when you've lost your buddy, BTW), I suggest putting some weight on a weight belt on your person. This reduces the likelihood you will lose your grip on the rig and rocket to the surface.
 
TL;DR: How do you doff your rig at the surface after a total buoyancy failure of both drysuit and wing if you're rig doesn't carry enough ditchable weight to make you buoyant on the surface?

What kind of failure of the suit are you talking about? Short of maybe blowing the neck seal or a massive zip failure then you will still have some buoyancy. Even if you blow the neck seal and completely flood the suit then you're in no worse a situation than a swimmer. If the suit is intact and you've lost means to inflate or even a fairly major leak below the water line then you will still float.

Same question with the wing. If it's intact but no air then orally inflate. If I've managed to catastrophically pop both my wing and drysuit then I'd probably just give up and let the gods of the sea decide my fate. Or use a SMB as a pool noodle. Or clip a liftbag to myself.

2.) Were a total buoyancy failure to happen and I was able to make it to the surface, I'm not certain I would be capable of getting out of my harness to ditch my rig.​

Cut the straps.

But getting out of a twinset isn't that hard. RHIB diving or cave diving where you need to rope the cylinders out the water then it is fairly normal practice. I've regularly dived from RHIBs with twin Faber 12's which are roughly the same size as HP100's. It's actually easier with less air in the wing than more. If you really want to do it in dramatic fashion then pull the set over your head in a reverse Nick Nolte in The Deep manoeuvre. It works. But with a properly rigged harness then it's easy enough to get one hand uner and out.

Second, trying to push a hand under the harness toward the centerline of my body in order to free one arm at a time no longer seems feasible given the massive dry glove rings on my suit (and the ones on my Santi drysuit are relatively small compared to the locking rings on something like an SI Tech glove system). I believe this second method is a part of the reason we are advised to make sure we can slip a fist through the harness when sizing it--to be able to push an arm through if necessary. This actually works quite well in a wetsuit, but I don't think it will work at all with a dry glove system.

Most of the GUE/DIR type divers I see in the UK are using dryglove rings so I can only assume it still works. I use the old school drygloves with a wrist seal attached to the glove. They are a little bit more work to get on but nothing major. There is no ring that gets in the way.
 
Thanks for the responses so far, folks. I appreciate it.

Yes, cutting the straps in this kind of an emergency is the way to go. (@lostsheep I'm not sure we covered that in the Fundies course I took. If we did, that particular data didn't stick as well as it should. Now that it has been mentioned here, this is exactly what I tell anyone who asks me about getting me out of my gear if I were unconscious. "Just cut me out.")

I agree that this kind of failure isn't really a thing that's likely to happen. (I'm imagining some freak accident where I've shredded my drysuit and the bladder in my wing.) More than likely, if something like that has occurred, I've also been shredded and won't be able to swim anyway.

I think where this questions stems from is a bit of anxiety around trying to defend my gear selection choice to others who don't have the same experience with this type of configuration. (I'm working on that anxiety, though.)

@lowwall I hadn't considered that my feet were that negative. Interesting. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I've only been working under the premise that my lungs are just too damn massive. I dive with Jet Fins and since my feet are huge, they're the largest size ScubaPro makes. In total, that might be 7.5 lbs.

I also hadn't considered inflating my dSMB. Of course, I have practiced this in the past, but it's been a while.

Perhaps I ought to think things through a little more thoroughly before blindly throwing panicked questions out to the internet. Yet, this is the very reason I came to ScubaBoard: to be reminded of all the possibilities that aren't immediately coming to mind. Things I know I've thought about now that they've been mentioned here, but in the moment things that have escaped me.

Thanks everyone for your responses. They have enlightened me and reminded me of what I had forgotten.
 
Second, trying to push a hand under the harness toward the centerline of my body in order to free one arm at a time no longer seems feasible given the massive dry glove rings on my suit (and the ones on my Santi drysuit are relatively small compared to the locking rings on something like an SI Tech glove system). I believe this second method is a part of the reason we are advised to make sure we can slip a fist through the harness when sizing it--to be able to push an arm through if necessary. This actually works quite well in a wetsuit, but I don't think it will work at all with a dry glove system.​
It's easier to doff your rig at the surface by laying prone and pulling it straight over your head instead of trying to push one hand under the shoulder strap. Make sure you first remove the backup regulator necklace and put the the primary reg in your mouth with the long hose floating free. Practice this in the pool with a buddy.

The dry gloves with hard plastic rings do make this a bit harder. This is one reason why I switched from the SI Tech dry gloves to the DUI ZipGloves-WD with flexible rings.
 

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