Bad Dive Master

[ScubaDivaDivemaster]

yes, Scubadivamaster, there are some bad DM's out there, or at least some good DM's that have bad dives. It happens. No one is perfect, except JeffG.

Yes, I'm sure Jeff is perfect. I know all humans can have bad days, and bad dives, but are DM's really human??? :11:

 

[pilot fish]

You rate them base on their ability to hold your hand during a dive. My way is better. I'm at least responsible for my own diving.

Will that be one sugar or two?:blinking:

 

[kent_1848]

Well, my wife has dove off of boats (why in heavens name is that even a specialty?), done deep dives, night dives, navigated quite well considering never using a compass until OW, & searched for and recovered masks that have been "misplaced" on the bottom. She is only OW. However she beats hands down a lot of AOW divers. Now, from most of the AOW classes that I have seen done, she is going to learn nothing. (I say most, because I was part of a NAUI class that was excellent, I have also been through numerous PADI & SSI classes) She is going to pay the dive shop some money, so that she can get some plastic card while in Roatan this year. Anyway, what I'm trying to say is, I don't know who is going to tell you that you have "mastered" a skill, and should do so before moving on. It isn't going to be the dive shop or any instructors that I have seen. Who would you work for if you kept telling students that they weren't ready to spend more money at the dive shop? Doesn't take too many students to complain about that before the dive shop will find someone willing to tell students to spend more money. Sure, there are those out there, but they are few and far between.

 

[pilot fish]

I know all humans can have bad days, and bad dives, but are DM's really human??? :11:

Yes, a DM can have a bad day and turn a dive into near catastrophy, as in your dive into ripping current with two newbies.

 

[jennasnyder1980]

I guess, but what would scare me, is what if I don't like it? I guess I liked doing the OW first and enjoying it and then deciding to go quickly into AOW. Not to mention that they were on a liveabroad in Thailand so would have only a few dives for "pleasure" while the rest were skill training.

 

[jennasnyder1980]

Personally, I think doing OW and AOW together is a good idea. Some other agencies (e.g. NOB) do consider this to be the basic OW level.

Rescue OTOH needs good buoyancy skills, which means about 50 dives (or enough to qualify as a Divemaster, as PADI would have it )

In the situation I described with the couple, they hadn't had a chance to see if they would even like SCUBA. I know some people have previous experiences with it so know they will like it. However, this particular couple didn't. But I am sure they had a blast.
Jen

 

[LSDeep]

I believe it's 20 dives or more to enter the program, 60 or more to finish as long as you have completed all other requirements.

correct

 

[jennasnyder1980]

me too. But sometimes, Bob, you have to dodge certain people's instructions especially when not diving with your homies. PF is trying to sort that out on travel locales. He gets jumped on. I have had dive guides take my hands and "place me" on a wall in a ripping current.. Sometimes, when its not all mapped out, you get in situations. Or...they lead you somewhere like a cave with too many people...I find it gets complicated at times.

I know, I think of many who aren't DIR as DIR. My bad.

Reading Catherine's memory of DM's putting her on a wall of a ripping current just reminded me of my trip to Greece last summer where the DM (I actually thought he was pretty good), kept taking my arms away from across my body as they were holding my computer so it kept dragging on the bottom. That I didn't understand. He was Italian so maybe they do things differently over there??
Sorry to intrude with an offtopice thought.
Jen

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is, I don't know who is going to tell you that you have "mastered" a skill, and should do so before moving on. It isn't going to be the dive shop or any instructors that I have seen. Who would you work for if you kept telling students that they weren't ready to spend more money at the dive shop? Doesn't take too many students to complain about that before the dive shop will find someone willing to tell students to spend more money. Sure, there are those out there, but they are few and far between.

It totally depends on the instructor ... and the relationship they have with the LDS. I know several instructors who will not pass someone who hasn't demonstrated the requisite skills in an appropriate fashion.

I recently worked with a student for four months before she finally decided that diving was not for her. I could've told her that after the second session, but as long as she was willing to work at it, I was willing to work with her. But I wasn't willing to pass her until I was comfortable diving with her ... and that never happened.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[Web Monkey]

I recently worked with a student for four months before she finally decided that diving was not for her. I could've told her that after the second session, but as long as she was willing to work at it, I was willing to work with her. But I wasn't willing to pass her until I was comfortable diving with her ... and that never happened.
... Bob (Grateful Diver)

The shop I work for is like that. They say "You can quit, but you can't fail."

I think the record so far is 2 years of classes and pool sessions, although most take about 8 weeks.

Nobody gets a C-Card until the instructor thinks the student is ready, and the student thinks so too.

Terry