Bad Dive Master

[fishb0y]

I apologized to the Coast Guard...doesn't anybody care?

Thats too bad, there is a coastie at the club, feel free to pick on him. I heard rumors that his rubber boat has wheels on the bottom.

 

[waynne fowler]

Do a search on deep water blackout. It is not that uncommon.

Not common in the 90' range at all, as far as divers go.
Most true deep water black out scenarios involving divers, that I've read about, are in the 250+ fsw range.

Though you can find reference to them occurring in the 130' zone upon further investigation I'm lead to believe that these are what we'd most commonly term 'shallow water blackouts' as they involve freedivers passing out in the shallows after having been 'deep' (130'+). What most of us call shallow water blackout is by the medical community (as far as I can tell) a term used when freedivers are simply staying underwater for a long period of time but remaining above the 130' range.

Remember I am not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV.. Occasionally however I do play doctor with a young ladi...... nevermind!

 

[waynne fowler]

They were using computers but don't know the final depth because the computer locked them out from a too quick descent and they didn't bother to find her deapth on the bottom.

Am I the only one who thinks this is REALLY weird... a lockout from a fast decent? I can't believe that even happens.

 

[Azza]

What would make anyone think a Padi DM has any inwater skills whatsoever? It's never tested.

Where did you get this information?

 

[Azza]

I was on a boat and a couple was going to do their open water and advanced water together!!! Slam bam thank you maam.

In the olden days when everything was done proper, an ow diver was certified to dive to 40 metres (130 ft), and had to show proficiency in rescue skills. It was basically the equiv to doing OW, AOW, Rescue, Deep spec, Navigation spec and Underwater Ninja spec...err... maybe not the Underwater Ninja spec.

This OW course took about 12 weeks. I do not know what kind of costs would have been involved.

Nowadays people want everything now and cheap.

Nowadays some people think that folk need to be taught in stages, and practice in between.

So someone taking OW, AOW and Rescue in one hit is not such a bad thing. At least they are getting education similar to the olden day OW course.

 

[BarryNL]

Personally, I think doing OW and AOW together is a good idea. Some other agencies (e.g. NOB) do consider this to be the basic OW level.

Rescue OTOH needs good buoyancy skills, which means about 50 dives (or enough to qualify as a Divemaster, as PADI would have it )

 

[isurus]

Personally, I think doing OW and AOW together is a good idea. Some other agencies (e.g. NOB) do consider this to be the basic OW level.

Rescue OTOH needs good buoyancy skills, which means about 50 dives (or enough to qualify as a Divemaster, as PADI would have it )

I did them both together as I felt o/w hadn't taught me enough of what I needed to know (nav. etc) moving forward. That said I'd done a fair amount of bsac training before opting to do PADI o/w so my buoyancy control was probably quite different to the average o/w passing diver.

 

[Bubble Junky]

What would make anyone think a Padi DM has any inwater skills whatsoever?

Nice generalisation.

It's never tested.

Complete lie.

 

[pilot fish]

If you have a Dive Master with fewer than 50 dives, then, folks, that is not a Master of anything. How can you master any skill without experience? To be SKILLED at anything means you are practiced in it and have done it many times to build a proficiency. If you have a Rescue Diver with fewer than 25 dives, that person might not even be able to rescue themselves. Getting Advanced Open Water while doing Open Water is a damn joke. It's not hard to see that certificatin is not equivilent to qualification.

There is just no substitue for experience. Just because you're certified does NOT mean you are qualified.

 

[D_B]

If you have a Dive Master with fewer than 50 dives, then, folks, that is not a Master of anything. How can you master any skill without experience? To be SKILLED at anything means you are practiced in it and have done it many times to build a proficiency. If you have a Rescue Diver with fewer than 25 dives, that person might not even be able to rescue themselves. Getting Advanced Open Water while doing Open Water is a damn joke. It's not hard to see that certificatin is not equivilent to qualification.

There is just no substitue for experience. Just because you're certified does NOT mean you are qualified.

WTH is this ???

"Getting Advanced Open Water while doing Open Water is a damn joke.

So ... just when is it time to expand your skills while under the guidance of a good instructor? It's not "advanced" for anyone with the comfort level to safely do the dives .. I did OW, Nat Geo, AOW in that order, all in a row .... First, just to have fun, to improve my skills, and to be a better diver than I would have been without taking it, not to mention to have a blast in Catalina diving for the classes

If you have a Rescue Diver with fewer than 25 dives, that person might not even be able to rescue themselves.

Yep, that would be me again, although I had a specific goal in taking rescue (to safely dive with my friend that's never dove here) I may not be able to "rescue myself" but I'm a safer diver for have taken the class.
Again .. just when is it do you think it's time to become safer at this diving thing?

Great job there with the blanket statements that just don't apply to everyone

DB