Assembling first doubles rig: Looking for a starting point

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AbyssalPlains

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Hi all,

I finally feel it's time to start diving doubles, or else I'll forget what I learned in my deco and advanced nitrox classes. So far I've dived twin Al 80s on a handful of dives in the Red Sea and in Southern California, but that's about it.

Before I set out on a big investment, I'm looking for a starting point as to tank size and manufacturer. I know that most of that depends on the kind of diving I'll do, but since I am a loooong way from any tech-oriented retailer/community, I simply don't have the opportunity to check out what's out there myself. In assembling my first set of doubles, I will have to make do with online research and mail order.

At this point, I don't really know where to start. Should I sit down and go into V-Planner and start calculating simulated dives to figure out what capacity tanks I need? Personally, I feel that if I make the move into doubles, I might as well get as much capacity as possible, but I noticed that LP 85s seem to be very popular. This strikes me - from a noob perspective - as kind of small?

Here is what I'm planning on diving: Sea of Cortez (drysuit in winter, wetsuit in summer); Southern California (year-round drysuit); local lakes (mostly drysuit). Most diving will be from boats.

Main motivation: I'm not interested in wreck diving nor anything extreme, just want to start practicing deco dives. I like progress and continuing education and feel while single-tank diving is fun, I'm stagnating a bit. My long-term goal is moving on to a rebreather. Also way down the road I could see myself taking up cave diving, but that won't happen unless I move to a place that has caves. For now, I'll stick with open-water ocean dives. I mainly want to go longer and/or deeper than is possible with recreational scuba.

I realize of course that nobody will be able to simply tell me "This is what you need," but I'd appreciate a few pointers, for example stuff that i shouldn't even bother with.

Currently, I am thinking steel HP100's, since a lot of people seem to like them and they are a compromise in terms of weight, but no dive shop in this area will be able to fill them, I'd dive them under-filled, which would equal something like 80 cu ft times 2. Is that enough? Also, would it be considered insane to dive those with a wetsuit? (In the summer, you simply cannot dive in the Sea of Cortez in a drysuit.)

Any tips will be greatly appreciated. :)
 
Double AL80s' are great starter doubles. Enough gas for shallow deco dives, and can be broken up to use as stages once you start progressing to more complex diving.
 
The steel 100s are a popular choice, and would probably serve you well for many years to come.
 
I think that you'll be much happier with steel 100's than will aluminum anything. Aluminum is a horrible ballast. Also, remember that your dives are limited to the smallest tanks in the team. I personally find 80's to be too small for most of the dives we do.
 
I think you need to figure out what dives you are going to do, and where you are going to do them, and that will pretty much answer your questions.

Al80s are wonderful tanks in warm water -- they're cheap, they don't rust, you can get them full almost anywhere. The required ballast isn't onerous in warm water, and their buoyancy characteristics are great for wetsuits. They have enough gas in them for reasonable dives in the 150 foot range, if you have a good SAC rate.

LP85s are really nice cold water tanks for smaller people. Again, they're reasonably light, you can get them filled anywhere, and they have enough gas in them for the one deco bottle 150 foot dive. HP100s give you a bit more gas to work with IF you can get them full. Depending on the make, they can be pretty comparable to the 85s in weight and buoyancy, but they are much lighter than 95s or 104s.

For cave diving, I doubt you'll be taking your own tanks anywhere, but if you were to drive to Florida, you'd want BIG, low pressure tanks :)
 
Keep in mind, your SAC rate is only part of the equation. My dive buddy started, and still does many of our dives with 80's ... and it really pisses me off. Here's why. She has a SAC rate of about .30. But I don't. And If I have a failure, we need to know that she has enough gas to support her tiny little SAC rate AND my regular .50 - .60 SAC rate. So the bottom line is that our dives are planned with a Rock Bottom based on 160 cf of gas and a SAC rate of .75. This plan ensures that no matter who were to have a failure, we could both survive the dive without worry.
 
If you're only going to have one set of tanks, get the biggest set you can safely handle.
That's just my opinion BTW.
 
I was just gonna add that.
 

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