Artifact recovery or looting

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Although the thread on Kohler accused of looting turned into it's own kind of wreck I would like to hear some serious discussion on what makes the difference between removing an artifact from a wreck and looting a wreck. Should precious artifacts me left to disintegrate into dust or should they be removed and preserved? Who is authorized to remove artifacts?

I was recently on a wreck that had very old pottery. The only people who knew the wreck was there were fishermen who occasionally dragged up bits of ancient pottery in their nets. Should these artifacts be recovered by divers or left to be pulverized by the fisherman's nets? What about wrecks like the Andrea Doria, little historical significance and the rapid deteriorization of the wreck will soon mean many interesting aftifacts lost to the sea.
Is artifact recovery OK and when is it appropriate. I would like to hear your thoughts.
 
I have no problem with artifact recovery.

When is it appropriate? I judge it on a case by case basis. For salt water wrecks, generally the more intact a wreck is the more likely I am to leave things where they are. Age of the wreck is a factor as well.

For fresh water wrecks I don't take anything.
 
When it is ok is harder to define than when it is not.

In my opinion:

If the wreck is historically significant and/or if the objects lose their archeological value if the context is disturbed then taking artifacts is not ok.

If removing/recovering/looting the artifact requires damage to the wreck to remove the item(s), it is not ok. This last one is probably controversial but it makes little sense for divers to tear a wreck apart to remove items as the diver wrought destruction just accellerates the deterioration of the wreck. If it requires hammers, chisels, airtools, etc, you need to seriously consider the impact the "recovery" has on the quality of the wreck in terms of the enjoyment of the wreck by other/future divers.

If the artifact recovery spentration into a wreck with visible human remains, you have probably crossed a line into grave robbing and should not be disturbing the grave site to recover artifacts. It does not matter whether the sailors are Japanese, German, British, Canadian or American they all deserve the same measure of respect for giving their last full measure to king or country regardless of the politics or failings of their leaders.

If the wreck is being actively managed or preserved (possible examples include Truk, Scapa Flow or Bikini) then artifact collecting is and should be off limits.

Along similar lines if the wreck is frequently visited by divers, you need to consider that your benefit in removing an item comes at the cost of everyone else enjoying it. In short order a wreck that is interesting due to the items that are there, becomes a very boring collection of wreckage on the bottom. This may not be an issue that carries much weight with the inconsiderate drive-by tourist/wreck diver who only gets one shot at the wreck, but it should be a major concern for the boat operators who make their living taking divers to interesting wrecks - when it stops being interesting, they lose a source of revenue.

If it is against the law to remove artifacts they should be left even if enforcement is spotty or non existant.

If you cannot properly conserve the artifact and/or it is just going to end up being a piece of junk you ignore and/or throw away, leave it in place, it will last a lot longer where it is than it will in your "care".

At the other extreme, if a non historically significant wreck has been reduced to a dissarticulated pile of steel plates on the bottom, I don't have any serious qualms about removing a plate, cup, porthole, etc from the sand as the items are well on their way to being lost and the removal is not going to damage the wreck.
 
This is in the eyes of an archaeologist:

1. Someday money will be allocated for me to do stuff.
2. If I take something off a site it is ok.
3. If you take something off a site it is looting.
4. Leave it there as someday I will have money allocated.
5. The money will be allocated - I just know it will.
6. If you spend your own money to take something it is looting.
7. If I spend your tax money to take something it is ok.
8. That is if I were ever allocated the money.

This is in my eyes:
1. If you shoot something eat it.
2. If you are not prepared to reverse electrolyze, clean, and paraffin boil an artifact do not take it.
 
This is in the eyes of an archaeologist:

1. Someday money will be allocated for me to do stuff.
2. If I take something off a site it is ok.
3. If you take something off a site it is looting.
4. Leave it there as someday I will have money allocated.
5. The money will be allocated - I just know it will.
6. If you spend your own money to take something it is looting.
7. If I spend your tax money to take something it is ok.
8. That is if I were ever allocated the money.

That is an over generalization and a label that should not be pasted onto all archaeologist. I am an underwater archaeologist and my thoughts do not run along this course you have laid out.
 
I took an oarlock off a rowboat last week ... was that looting?

:D

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
I wrote the following almost 10 years ago and I think it still stands on its own feet.

Pete Johnson

One of the biggest things to remember is that there are three things that make a wreck "important." The first is archaeological significance, is there new knowledge that we can learn from it? The second is does this wreck have a historical value? The third is potential economic value to the local area. The wrecks in the Great Lakes, at Truck, Bikini, and many other places are of economical importance to the local people. They can sell an artifact one time to a collector or 1,000's of times to a tourist diver/photographer. But a wreck 20 miles south of Nantucket which sees a charter boat once every 5 to 10 years is not of economical importance.

A Phoenician wreck would answer yes to the first two cases but maybe not to the third, the USS Arizona would be no to question #1 (a full archaeological documentation of the wreck would yield little of value to justify the work and costs), A big YES to question #2, at least to the US the Arizona is very important historically perhaps to the Japanese and Germans perhaps less so and a yes to the third, she brings in a lot of tourist dollars.

Now would a 90 year old tramp freighter thirty miles off the NJ shore have a yes answer to any of the questions?

Some thoughts:

1) Many shipwrecks are found not by archeologists but by divers who then report them to the archeologists. I believe that George Bass has stated publicly that without the sponge divers he would never have located many of the wrecks he has spent his life working on. In northern European and American waters there are no working divers who can fill this role except the recreational SCUBA divers searching for shipwrecks.

Many of these divers have spent considerable amounts of their own time and money acquiring the skills and equipment to operate at depths that are exceeding 300 feet and at distances from shore reaching out to 100 miles. A large percentage of these divers are professionals with college and advanced degrees. These divers have spent many hours researching the ships and their histories before going out to these deeper and further off wrecks. They also write, publish, and present about these wrecks whenever asked.

2) Most shipwrecks in the Northeast US of interest to these wreck divers are of recent origin, post 1880 to 1900, and are of iron and steel construction. Wood shipwrecks are of interest mostly as a place to do lobstering, not for artifacts. Most of the steel wrecks in depths of 100' or shallower have been broken up as hazards to navigation. Metal wrecks are constantly deteriorating due to the salt water environment and storm/current conditions.

3) Since the late 1960's the power and size of commercial fishing boats has greatly increase. This increase in power has resulted in wood wrecks that used to be avoided now simply being run over and destroyed, even steel wrecks are being broken up. The wreck of the trawler Amagansett, sunk in 1960 off of North Carolina was fully intact during the summer of 1994, in 1995 it was found broken up and spread over several acres of the bottom, the remains of a steel trawl net were also found. Many of the captains of these large fishing boats have artifact collections larger than any wreck diver will ever collect. I have also talked to sport charter fishing boat captains and they all report that many "Hangs" just are no longer found. The result of the above is that wrecks that may be of significant archaeological interest are not safe in any area where commercial trawler fishing is conducted and that the option of leaving wrecks in situ may no longer be a safe option.

4) Not every shipwreck older then 50 years is of archaeological or historical interest.

5) Due to the large areas of water involved and lack of funding for enforcement, laws protecting shipwrecks are ineffective without the cooperation of the local sport diving community.

Realizing the above and the need to preserve the history involved with the shipwrecks. .The following voluntary program to document and preserve shipwrecks of interest is proposed.

Beginning points for discussion are that shipwrecks can be divided into 3 broad categories:

Pre 1840 - These wrecks often are not documented and little is known about them. Wrecks in this category should be reported and preserved until they can be surveyed.

1840-1880 - These ships, if they are identified, are often documented to some degree. However, some archaeological data may be recovered and should also be preserved until the ships are surveyed. This survey does not necessarily require the supervision of a professional archaeologist.

Post 1880 to Present - These ships are most likely known and archival information can be found. This information can be as detailed as photos, builders plans, bill's of lading, crew and passenger lists. Therefore, no new archeological data is likely to be gathered. However, the wrecks may be of historical value and preservation would only be on a case by case basis.

The first and second category of wrecks would be recovered or preserved in situ if desirable and possible. Artifacts from the first category would be recovered under archeological supervision.

Artifacts from the second category would be documented by the divers and the documents submitted to the state for review. If the artifacts recovered are deemed to be of archeological or historical value the state would have the right to study them for a period of time, and purchase them for a negotiated sum (right of first refusial) or have them donated as a tax deduction. The diver would be credited with the recovery at any display.

Artifacts from the third category could be recovered at will if not otherwise protected. The divers would be encouraged to submit documentation on the wreck and artifact to be placed into a data base. Preservation of the artifacts and documentation would be stressed and a system for the donation of them implemented when they are no longer wanted.

An education system would be set up so that the differences and exceptions between these categories, proper documentation, and preservation techniques could be taught to the divers.

The benefits to the archeological community would be:

A willing exchange of information between the archeologists and divers such as wreck sites, conditions, and research/artifacts already gathered.

A vastly increased search/survey capability of the bottom.

A trained reserve of skilled wreck divers with capabilities to dive in excess of 200 feet. In most cases the services of these divers would be available at no cost except perhaps for air/mix, boat, and food. I believe that since the USS Monitor has been opened up to the deep sport/wreck diver, supervised recovery of artifacts is being done at no cost to the government.

Benefits to the diving community would be:

Inclusion into the archaeological and decision making process.

Elimination of unnecessary regulations involving the wrecks of primary interest to divers (post 1880-1900).

A greater understanding of any historical/archaeological significance of the wrecks dove and artifacts recovered.
 
Aha! So you DO admit that you guys only have rowboats for wrecks out there! :wink:
please don't start that nonsense on this thread.:shakehead:
 
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