Are you a DIR-like Diver?

[Aeolus]

I do not like the idea of some person or group declaring what is "Doing It Right". That just seems a little "holier than thou" to me. Especially if there is the issue of only certain brands being acceptable. It would seem much more prudient to have people improve their skills, rather than purchase the "right" eqipment.

-Rant off :boxing:

 

[CincyBengalsFan]

Yeah, I hear ya..Aeolus,

I guess my big problem is that the 7' hose in not even remotely neccessary for the average joe schmoe diver. Further more I have a problem with them not saying or printing the problems with the 7' hose. I'm not saying the short hose is perfect by any means at all. It has flaws like we all do. But the 7' hose has flaws too and nobody will confess up to it. Point is..Nothing is perfect but they think they have a perfect system.

SeaJay..Keep burning up those megabytes for the ScubaBoard.... Just kidding..I know you love to write.

 

[Diver0001]

SeaJay once bubbled...


...I'd also like to point out that George Irvine is not affiliated with GUE and is not a DIR instructor. His attitude is not typical of other DIR divers. In fact, many "higher ups" in GUE and George don't get along well.

Oh yeah. I forgot. Spin-doctoring is DIR.

Don't feel insulted Seajay. You're OK but then again you said it yourself. You're not DIR. When you are I'm sure you'll tranform into a troll too. As long as you don't learn to hate people like me you're not DIR. You obviously need practice man .

But really..... I really didn't say this to insult any particular person. It's just that years of trying to be my usual cool reasoned self in the face of some pretty belligerent B.S. has completely worn my patience and i don't give a rat's a$$ anymore what the DIR hardcore think of me or my opinions. They're delusional anyway and the whole movement is in a self-destructive spiral that I want no part of.

FWIW, I, too, would be insulted and embarrassed if someone thought you were DIR.

Good. We understand each other.

R..

 

[SeaJay]

CincyBengalsFan once bubbled...

SeaJay..Keep burning up those megabytes for the ScubaBoard.... Just kidding..I know you love to write.

You bet I do, bubba.

Further more I have a problem with them not saying or printing the problems with the 7' hose. I'm not saying the short hose is perfect by any means at all. It has flaws like we all do. But the 7' hose has flaws too and nobody will confess up to it.

Cincy, I think by the time that thread got pulled, we were at nearly 50 pages, at 20 posts per page. Not one example of a fault with the 7 foot hose was ever pointed out.

Nix that... There were two. One was the one that I pointed out... That people like you give me hell about it. I still can't figure out why you'd care what sort of rig I dive, especially since you and I don't dive together. The other reason - the "it's going to choke you" reason - was silly and rediculous, and it was pointed out by several people that it was not a rational fear.

The bottom line is that for nearly 50 pages I heard you rant about how 7-footers had disadvantages, yet I never saw one viable, rational example.

...And whether it's perfect or not, weighing the advantages and disadvantages offers proof that it's at least better than using the short primary/octo configuration. If you have a better idea, then we're all ears.

 

[CD_in_Chitown]

as a "Like DIR" choice? DIR is like Hogarthian not vice versa.

SeaJay, your an ambassador man. You've got much work ahead of you to erase the social misstatements of the hardcore and the wannabes.

Cincy- I too look forward to hearing the drawbacks of the 7' hose. You should feel free to discuss them here, or start a new thread. Impart your "wisdom" on us, please.

Chris

 

[CincyBengalsFan]

OK, first of all it needs to be made aware that I NEVER SAID or made a valid point about strangulation with that 7 footer. It might have been Karl or some Karl-Like figure.

The other thing is...We may hit 50 pages again...

OK...One valid point that I did make that some people just can't swallow is.........The fact that you have two divers without air or a reg in their mouth for a brief moment hopefully...HOPEFULLY just a brief moment when you donate the primary (FACT!!!!). To me this opens up the door to have two paniced divers instead of one. When you donate your octo...The chance of two paniced divers is significantly less than donated your primary.

This is enough to turn me away from donating the primary.

I'm sure you can understand my point. I'm not asking you have to swallow it...But just say you understand it.

No name calling or bashing intended if anyone saw it that way!

 

[SeaJay]

Diver0001 once bubbled...

Don't feel insulted Seajay. You're OK but then again you said it yourself. You're not DIR. When you are I'm sure you'll tranform into a troll too. As long as you don't learn to hate people like me you're not DIR. You obviously need practice man .

Hahahahaaa!!!

I promise to never learn to hate people - like you or anyone else. I also promise to never turn into a troll (although I've already been accused of it before).

I promise to always be the very best example of DIR that I can be. "I may not be the best example," but I can certainly be the very best one that I can be.

The bottom line is that what I've seen in DIR (which includes the class, hanging out with "DIR guys" quite a bit, formal book and course education, lots and lots of practice, and much skill and gear configuration) has the potential to impact the dive industry as a whole in a very positive way. There's much to be learned from the DIR program. I find it inspiring... Like rootin' for the underdog.

...So in an effort to see the underdog succeed, I will offer what I can - I will learn, I will keep an open mind, I will write, and I will use some people skills, which I hear is lacking (although that hasn't been my experience - people like JJ and MHK and AndrewG have phenominal people skills).

...And I will stand as an example - at least the best that I can be - of DIR.

...And if you need a better example, I offer to you the names mentioned above. These are truly great people.

 

[CD_in_Chitown]

CincyBengalsFan once bubbled...
The fact that you have two divers without air or a reg in their mouth for a brief moment

I thought this was covered in the previous, but ok there's one.

But the 7' hose has flaws too and nobody will confess up to it

You say flaws like there are multiple. Do you have some real flaws you'd like to point out?

 

[CincyBengalsFan]

cd_in_SeaTac once bubbled...
as a "Like DIR" choice? DIR is like Hogarthian not vice versa.

SeaJay, your an ambassador man. You've got much work ahead of you to erase the social misstatements of the hardcore and the wannabes.

Cincy- I too look forward to hearing the drawbacks of the 7' hose. You should feel free to discuss them here, or start a new thread. Impart your "wisdom" on us, please.

Chris

cd_in_SeaTac

I'm not going to get into the bashing or name calling with you. Stuff like "impart your wisdom" and other sarcastic remarks. Please simply start another thread for that and call me all the names in the world in every language you can think of.

Or you can be a part of this thread with educated posts.

SeaJay, furthermore, I don't care what you dive in or with. I do care about the local folks around me though.

 

[plsdiver4377]

As far as the gear configuration DIR makes perfect sense expecially in regards to cave, wreck, etc. Much if not all is useful in OW, but not absolutely neccessary.

I personally feel it should be about the skills which DIR does promote quite well. This is the one area where that I believe everybody can agree on or should.

As far as the people I personally have not met a DIR diver in person so I will reserve judgement on that issue.

Just trying to keep an open mind (without leeting anything fall out) as a relatively new diver.