An age-old question: ways to 60m.

[rddvet]

And you're ignoring the fact that it's a calculated risk, same as going on any dive where deco is planned. Different strokes for different folks.

I don't ride crotch rockets anymore, but baggers and scoots are still fun for me. I know how I ride and the risk isn't worth the reward on a sport bike for me. Same with deep air. Watch out for the scary narc mi amigo

I fully understand it's a calculated risk, which is why I keep saying you do you, just don't endanger other people taking them with you if they don't understand the risk or push the idea that deep air is safe here where people with limited knowledge getting into tech diving will misconstrue what you think is safe with what is actually considered safe in modern times.

I appreciate the gaslighting and trying to denigrate someone else's experience on the scary narc comment. That tracks coming from you. Nobody said being narced is scary. Its actually kind of a fun feeling. Its about killing yourself, more importantly killing someone else, or getting a dive site closed because someone had to come rescue you or recover your body.

Main point is there is no reason other than access/cost of helium or thinking you will always beat the odds that are a valid points for diving deep air. Remote location, I get. That's not the reason for most people who choose deep air. Its arrogance or overconfidence in most of the encounters I've seen, then followed by being cheap.

 

[rddvet]

But your shear exhaustive blathering about deep air lends itself to maybe you needing a helmet and a helping hand to walk from the couch to the fridge. I'd hate to think the troubles you go through for intercourse even with a long time partner.

You comment about respecting other people's opinions who dive differently, yet when pushed on a subject you keep going to derogatory comments and gaslighting. It says pages about you and your mentality. Its chest-thumpy. Which doesn't help argue your point because most of the people pushing deep air share a similar mentality.
Historically I try to ignore your posts because they're along the same asinine lines as Celts. I probably should have followed my own advice and just ignored commenting since its clear there's no point, and you seem to think that not getting narced on air (sorry thinking you're not narced on deep air) correlates with the size of your manhood. Your comment I quoted makes you come off like a man-child

 

[Boarderguy]

I appreciate the gaslighting and trying to denigrate someone else's experience on the scary narc comment. That tracks coming from you. Nobody said being narced is scary. Its actually kind of a fun feeling. Its about killing yourself, more importantly killing someone else, or getting a dive site closed because someone had to come rescue you or recover your body.

The narc is what drives most of the mandatory He dribble. It's scary to a lot that never encounter such a feeling. The absurdity is those same folks stating everyone should avoid it at the high cost of He. Everyone has a different affect and it's from a mild body tingle to full blown blackout. Sub 30m should be gradually attained with others who have done it to ensure your tolerance and aptitude. That's not bravado, it's experience and a calculated risk.

Main point is there is no reason other than access/cost of helium or thinking you will always beat the odds that are a valid points for diving deep air. Remote location, I get. That's not the reason for most people who choose deep air. Its arrogance or overconfidence in most of the encounters I've seen, then followed by being cheap.

Cost and availability *

During the height of covflu He was not available in any substantial quantities which made it outrageously expensive. Unless you were on CCR then it wasn't a reality for most. Now that that craziness has subsided it comes back to cost for the He and necessary cards. I can drop a set of doubles off for an air fill and go anywhere I want for about $6. I dive weekly so the He would add up quick. CCR is in my future, but not for another 5 years or so. Then I'll be all about it.

 

[rddvet]

Sub 30m should be gradually attained with others who have done it to ensure your tolerance and aptitude.

That's always the argument, you can work up to it. I call BS on that argument. I agree that with time you can gain some level of tolerance to the affects of narcosis. What I call BS on is that you can attain a point where it is a safe, smart choice and doesn't dramatically increase the risk of the dive.

 

[BoltSnap]

divers are all gonna die

We all will die for sure, no doubt about it.

 

[iliketopetsharks]

Obviuously everyone reacts differently to narcosis. But no one can change the laws of physics in regards to gas density. You can't really get used to it, and you can't force yourself to keep your RMV low in any situation.
So my rationale is simple: if there's something worth seeing, it's worth the cost of He.
If it's not worth it, i'm not going.
Plenty of opportunities for amazing dives that are perfectly fine to do with Nitrox, and they'll be even longer as they're shallower.

 

[Nick_Radov]

My advice to people who think they may not handle the so called “stressful situation” is to get another job or hobby and stop worrying about what others can handle.

Well I guess that's one approach. A better approach is instead of trying to be an Internet tough guy and "handle" the stressful situations to avoid them in the first place through proper gas selection, training, resource management, equipment configuration, fitness, and following Rule #1. You can always concoct some unlikely scenario where any of us could get pushed to the limits of our abilities but if you look at real-world technical diving accident analysis reports virtually all of them could have been easily prevented. Why not stack the deck in your favor? Most of us on these forums are just hobby divers, not Navy SEALs; if the situation sucks then we're not required to get in the water. The dive site will still be there next month and we can always come back when we have the correct mix.

As for diving deep air just to save a little money, I honestly don't get it. Just go make some more money, or else dive shallow. There's no shame in not being rich, and there's plenty to see shallower than 100 ft / 30 m. I certainly limit my own deep diving to keep helium expenses within reason.

 

[Celt]

You comment about respecting other people's opinions who dive differently, yet when pushed on a subject you keep going to derogatory comments and gaslighting. It says pages about you and your mentality. Its chest-thumpy. Which doesn't help argue your point because most of the people pushing deep air share a similar mentality.
Historically I try to ignore your posts because they're along the same asinine lines as Celts. I probably should have followed my own advice and just ignored commenting since its clear there's no point, and you seem to think that not getting narced on air (sorry thinking you're not narced on deep air) correlates with the size of your manhood. Your comment I quoted makes you come off like a man-child

The only thing that’s asinine is you thinking that someone who is already making dives to 60m without helium is going to start using it. You should cut back on the helium it’s starting to affect your thinking on the surface.

 

[DiveLikeAMuppet]

Helmets are inexpensive for the cost per use. 30k miles, 1 helmet over the last 4 years. $350 ÷ 30k = $0.0116 per mile and similar cost per hour. I'll get a new one next year since they have a limited lifespan. $200 ish per 1 hour dive and not reusable means that it's much more cost prohibitive for He. But your shear exhaustive blathering about deep air lends itself to maybe you needing a helmet and a helping hand to walk from the couch to the fridge. I'd hate to think the troubles you go through for intercourse even with a long time partner.

Just got back from a dive that had maybe 2 meter visibility, right in your 50 meter zone. Boat of full of idiots on trimix, no cool kids on air in sight. Wouldn’t want to be down there on air. It’s also nice to remember the dive and discuss on the surface.

I'd hate to think the troubles you go through for intercourse even with a long time partner.

I have a very intimate and loving relationship with my JJ, we have been going steady for a while. But you are right, I still do insist on completing a checklist ahead of each Funtime ^^ .

 

[Celt]

Well I guess that's one approach. A better approach is instead of trying to be an Internet tough guy and "handle" the stressful situations to avoid them in the first place through proper gas selection, training, resource management, equipment configuration, fitness, and following Rule #1. You can always concoct some unlikely scenario where any of us could get pushed to the limits of our abilities but if you look at real-world technical diving accident analysis reports virtually all of them could have been easily prevented. Why not stack the deck in your favor? Most of us on these forums are just hobby divers, not Navy SEALs; if the situation sucks then we're not required to get in the water. The dive site will still be there next month and we can always come back when we have the correct mix.

As for diving deep air just to save a little money, I honestly don't get it. Just go make some more money, or else dive shallow. There's no shame in not being rich, and there's plenty to see shallower than 100 ft / 30 m. I certainly limit my own deep diving to keep helium expenses within reason.

Just learn to deal with a bit of stress it will help you going through life.