An age-old question: ways to 60m.

[SelfDiver]

This thread is great.
It has everything you need in an SB thread.

 

[Boarderguy]

This thread is great.
It has everything you need in an SB thread.

 

[Blackcrusader]

This thread is great.
It has everything you need in an SB thread.

Yup it has people who tell us we must dive trimix for dives deeper than 30m or us air divers are all gonna die. Air divers are not so sure and when the doctor called for next patient please it was the trimix and CCR divers who needed a visit to the chamber or had a tragedy. Death, the final frontier.

The extended range divers just go yeah, we do air and nitrox and O2 at 6m and we all survived.
Cant afford the Helium and in many places it's not available anyway.

 

[Wookie]

This thread is great.
It has everything you need in an SB thread.

I haven't seen anyone called barnyard animal stupid yet.

But I have hopes.

 

[rddvet]

Cute spelling and innuendo.

whoops. that was unintentional. apologies to all
I edited it to correct spelling

 

[rddvet]

Yup it has people who tell us we must dive trimix for dives deeper than 30m or us air divers are all gonna die. Air divers are not so sure and when the doctor called for next patient please it was the trimix and CCR divers who needed a visit to the chamber or had a tragedy. Death, the final frontier.

The extended range divers just go yeah, we do air and nitrox and O2 at 6m and we all survived.
Cant afford the Helium and in many places it's not available anyway.

You're clearly choosing not to understand the point. Which is prettty classic with the deep air guys. The main point is you are increasing your risk by diving deep air. 1000s of dives can be made on air without incident. Till something goes awry and you suddenly can't perform your duties as a teammate the way you're supposed to.
All risks you have to choose to accept. But is deep air smarter, safer, and something that should be propogated, no. I would love to see something proving that either deep air is safer or that the inherent risks are the same or equal to the same dive on something other than air. Luckily there isn't a study that exists, because the facts don't exist.

 

[Boarderguy]

You're clearly choosing not to understand the point. Which is prettty classic with the deep air guys. The main point is you are increasing your risk by diving deep air. 1000s of dives can be made on air without incident. Till something goes awry and you suddenly can't perform your duties as a teammate the way you're supposed to.
All risks you have to choose to accept. But is deep air smarter, safer, and something that should be propogated, no. I would love to see something proving that either deep air is safer or that the inherent risks are the same or equal to the same dive on something other than air. Luckily there isn't a study that exists, because the facts don't exist.

And you're ignoring the fact that it's a calculated risk, same as going on any dive where deco is planned. Different strokes for different folks.

I don't ride crotch rockets anymore, but baggers and scoots are still fun for me. I know how I ride and the risk isn't worth the reward on a sport bike for me. Same with deep air. Watch out for the scary narc mi amigo

 

[rx7diver]

Original post deleted by me. (I think my post was misunderstood by @Nick_Radov and others, possibly.)

I am NOT anti deep air. I have both IANTD Deep Air and IANTD Advanced Deep Air certs, and although it has been awhile, my Great Lakes extended-range diving included several swimming (as opposed to scootering) air dives deeper than 200 ffw (60 m). For me, though, 165 - 180 ffw (50 - 55 m) was a better range, not only because of less narc, but also because I could enjoy a long-enough bottom time when using HP100 manifolded doubles.

For me, a long-enough bottom time for a 200 ffw dive meant using HP120 manifolded doubles, which are significantly heavier out of the water. And being noticeably longer (28" vs. 24"), HP120's are a bit of a PITA to move around by hand.

I completely support learning the risks and learning how to proceed as safely as possible. This thread is posted in the "Technical Diving" subforum (rather than in the "Beginning Diving" subforum), after all.

I stopped diving deep shortly after my first child (now 24 years old) was born.

I continue to dive solo, though.

rx7diver

 

[DiveLikeAMuppet]

And you're ignoring the fact that it's a calculated risk, same as going on any dive where deco is planned. Different strokes for different folks.

I don't ride crotch rockets anymore, but baggers and scoots are still fun for me. I know how I ride and the risk isn't worth the reward on a sport bike for me. Same with deep air. Watch out for the scary narc mi amigo

Do you wear a helmet or not? Helmets are expensive too.

 

[Boarderguy]

Do you wear a helmet or not? Helmets are expensive too.

Helmets are inexpensive for the cost per use. 30k miles, 1 helmet over the last 4 years. $350 ÷ 30k = $0.0116 per mile and similar cost per hour. I'll get a new one next year since they have a limited lifespan. $200 ish per 1 hour dive and not reusable means that it's much more cost prohibitive for He. But your shear exhaustive blathering about deep air lends itself to maybe you needing a helmet and a helping hand to walk from the couch to the fridge. I'd hate to think the troubles you go through for intercourse even with a long time partner.