An age-old question: ways to 60m.

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yep, thanks for reminder - checked TDI reqs for mixed gas ~50 dives on given CCR... about 2 years with my diving realistically...
50 dives (ascents) is the minimum, it usually takes at least that much to be comfortable on the unit. If you dive 25 times a year, you are probably at the minimum number of dives to retain OC ANDP skill set - depending on how you get the dives (regular weekends vs one big liveaboard trip once a year). I personally wouldn’t bother with CCR. The unit wants to be dived regularly.
 
I were speaking about over 50m dives. Not more than 25 per year...
Ah sorry... I thought that it would take you 2 years to get the 50 dives needed between mod1 and mod2. With 25 trimix dives a year CCR makes sense - you might find out that you will dive anything below 30 meters with trimix anyway, because that's what you will have in your cylinders.
 
I were speaking about over 50m dives. Not more than 25 per year...
If you get a CCR you will find you want to do all your dives on it, not just the deeper ones. This will add up your hours/dives way quicker. If your only doing 25 dives/year, CCR is not for you.
 
I'm a deep air person. That's the cheapest way but it's often frowned upon by those with more money than me. Air density and narc are the biggest issues. I'm routinely down below 150 fsw on air with an occasional 180-190. I'm working towards 210 just to do it. Nothing I really want to see is much past 170 right now.

Do more dives on air at 150 and spend time at depth. Start going to 160 once you feel comfortable there and start spending time. Bounce to 170 and then hang out at 150-160 again. And so on and so on. It all really comes down to how you react to narcocis and how your buddy reacts.

Doubles, SM, and deco bottles are almost necessary for going that deep. I've done 170 with a single 119 and a pony but it was a bounce and not worth it. Double 100s with an AL40 gives me gas for days essentially.


100% this. I’m the same way with driving home after the bar. Getting an uber or taxi is expensive so I can spend more time drinking if I don’t do that. It’s frowned upon by people with more money than me, though.

Here’s how I do it. So I started off just having one or two drinks then driving home. I kept doing this till I felt comfortable then I upped it to 3 or 4. Sometimes I’ll have 6 or 7 and drive home but I don’t do that much.

Seatbelt is needed past 4 or so drinks. Less than that and it’s optional.
 
100% this. I’m the same way with driving home after the bar. Getting an uber or taxi is expensive so I can spend more time drinking if I don’t do that. It’s frowned upon by people with more money than me, though.

Here’s how I do it. So I started off just having one or two drinks then driving home. I kept doing this till I felt comfortable then I upped it to 3 or 4. Sometimes I’ll have 6 or 7 and drive home but I don’t do that much.

Seatbelt is needed past 4 or so drinks. Less than that and it’s optional.
Tell me you've never dove deep air without telling me. Clown show at its finest. Comparing deep air to DUI is beyond stupid.

Yes there are better ways, but it's been done safely for decades. You don't have to but don't mock those who choose to. Stay above 100 and keep your little tikes regulator tightly gripped in your mouth.
 
I don't understand the question.
Are you asking if it is easier, safer, cheaper, available, some combination?
Cheapest would probably be 60m on air. You aren't using expensive Helium. You need the least amount of training. PPO2 is 1.47 (so quite risky) and narcosis is a limiting factor. The gear is standard twinset and stage so quite easy to achieve. If you are young and stupid, you can probably do it with a regular BCD.
If you already have the tec backplate/sidemount then the expensive route is to do it with Helium. This method has drawbacks like time and cost. Open Circuit (OC) scuba (air or trimix) is limited by gas supply.
Closed Circuit Rebreather (CCR) to 60m is much much more complicated. Currency is much more critical to sucess, compared to OC. You still have to be able to bail out to OC from the worst case. Some would say that you should be a Trimix OC diver before doing it on CCR. Even if cost is not an issue, the CCR still provides all the gas you need AND the gas is warmer compared to OC. I want a hot water line in the umbilical with Trimix unless it is very warm water.
CCR require different logistics. Sorb, O2 and Trimix blending at the surface. Some CCR are small enough to fit in carryon. CCR can surprisingly, be easier in remote locations and expedition settings. OC is easier in most places, especially if you learn independent doubles/sidemount.

My opinion turns on currency.
So if you dive a lot...CCR
If you dive "once in a while" OC
(Even if we leave cost out of the equation)

Break Even:
A twin 80 with Tx20/50 at $3-4/cuf is $240-$320 in Helium cost for one dive. Add $40-80 in deco gasses to get about $400 per dive. A CCR fully kitted plus training and enough experience to go to 60m is $12,000. So let's say 20-30 Trimix dives to 60m is break even. (Check my maths here)

Story time:
In the early 2000's "my friend" worked as an instructor in a popular vacation spot and picked up odd commercial diving jobs (Dcraping barnacles, raising drunken sunken boats, finding stuff that fell from ships at the port, retrieving expensive anchors, filming patch jobs for insurance, safety diver for welders...etc).
A mom and pop "party supply" store about an hour away was raided by police because it was a front for unlicensed "pharmaceutical supplies". While they barely did ANY business as a party supply store, they had baloon Helium regular delivery. This resulted in three large Helium tanks being stored nearby (in the same corral as the restaurants used for CO2 delivery). While the police were guarding the store and yellow police tape was all around the store, the tank storage was outside the perimeter. At about 9:30pm, a special delivery vehicle made away with three Helium tanks that mysteriously showed up empty a month later.
 
Tell me you've never dove deep air without telling me. Clown show at its finest. Comparing deep air to DUI is beyond stupid.

Yes there are better ways, but it's been done safely for decades. You don't have to but don't mock those who choose to. Stay above 100 and keep your little tikes regulator tightly gripped in your mouth.
Incident free and safe are not the same thing.

People drive home drunk all the time. It’s fine till it isn’t.
 
And trimix at 150-200 is incident free/safe? Asinine

Hang on…

What is it that you’re saying is asinine?

Asinine’s a pretty strong word (it means stupid or foolish).

If I strive to be a proficient diver and can afford to draw Trimix, am I asinine because I want to mitigate risk?

I’m not asking to start an argument but rather to understand your POV.
 

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