An age-old question: ways to 60m.
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David Carron
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Honestly, I think the specific training that @bardass is referring to is appallingly weak: 60m without any accelerated deco procedures or any of the notions of redundancy explicit in the (for example) PADI TEC 50.
I'd be willing to guess that the principle reason that there aren't more deep air accidents in France is that in practice there are a vanishingly small number of these deep air dives and not because it's possible to be adequately trained for them.
(slight disclaimer here) I know @bardass personally and, in my experience, he is deadly serious both as a diver and instructor.
CG43
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An example to illustrate different views.
Running : This should stand for freediving .
The performance is mainly determined by the diver
Cycling : Here a technical aid is used but it still depends mainly on the rider.
The ability of the diver to cope with gas density, oxygen partial pressure and narcosis of oxygen and nitrogen sets the limits.
Driving a car: assuming driving skills, it is the car that determines the performance.
As long as the diver uses the equipment correctly and it works, the appropriate breathing gases will be supplied.
What is most important to you?
Being able to run 42 km in 2 1/2 hours ?
Being able to cycle 40 km in an hour ?
A fast car and the ability to drive it fast ?
Everyone has to find the answer for themselves and besides, one diving style does not exclude a different one at a different time. In contrast to professional diving, there are no objective criteria for what really counts for the individual diver.
For me there is a very touching memory in connection with “air deep” when I was in the canion (Dahab reed sea) with my wife in 1991. She had not done a deeper dive for 7 years and her wetsuit was much too tight so she only dived with tank and mask, fins and snorkel. At about 45m she started to roll while swimming. This is a symptom when a diver is narced. When the right leg goes down the body rolls counterclockwise due to imbalance and when the left leg goes down body rolls clockwise. She was still breathing quite well so I let her continue diving. But if she wanted to dive deeper when we came out of the canion in about 50m I would prevent that.
No , when she came out of the canion she wanted to dive up , paddled with her fins but she just stood on the spot . Her helplessness frightened me . How could I risk my wife's health so recklessly?
She is the best thing I have found in my life and I am so stupid. I took her hand and we ascendet slowly . For me these were moments in which I felt a very great love for her. Luckily she was breathing properly the whole time and in 30m she normalized. I could see that because now she started to freeze. My experience is that you don't usually freeze narced. This dive although the shallowest and shortest was the most beautiful of the whole vacation and it always touches my heart when I think about it.
Running : This should stand for freediving .
The performance is mainly determined by the diver
Cycling : Here a technical aid is used but it still depends mainly on the rider.
The ability of the diver to cope with gas density, oxygen partial pressure and narcosis of oxygen and nitrogen sets the limits.
Driving a car: assuming driving skills, it is the car that determines the performance.
As long as the diver uses the equipment correctly and it works, the appropriate breathing gases will be supplied.
What is most important to you?
Being able to run 42 km in 2 1/2 hours ?
Being able to cycle 40 km in an hour ?
A fast car and the ability to drive it fast ?
Everyone has to find the answer for themselves and besides, one diving style does not exclude a different one at a different time. In contrast to professional diving, there are no objective criteria for what really counts for the individual diver.
For me there is a very touching memory in connection with “air deep” when I was in the canion (Dahab reed sea) with my wife in 1991. She had not done a deeper dive for 7 years and her wetsuit was much too tight so she only dived with tank and mask, fins and snorkel. At about 45m she started to roll while swimming. This is a symptom when a diver is narced. When the right leg goes down the body rolls counterclockwise due to imbalance and when the left leg goes down body rolls clockwise. She was still breathing quite well so I let her continue diving. But if she wanted to dive deeper when we came out of the canion in about 50m I would prevent that.
No , when she came out of the canion she wanted to dive up , paddled with her fins but she just stood on the spot . Her helplessness frightened me . How could I risk my wife's health so recklessly?
She is the best thing I have found in my life and I am so stupid. I took her hand and we ascendet slowly . For me these were moments in which I felt a very great love for her. Luckily she was breathing properly the whole time and in 30m she normalized. I could see that because now she started to freeze. My experience is that you don't usually freeze narced. This dive although the shallowest and shortest was the most beautiful of the whole vacation and it always touches my heart when I think about it.
DiveLikeAMuppet
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Cigarettes clearly cause cancer after about 15-20 years of smoking. Yet you can still buy cigarettes - government approved, and smoking just few increases your chance of getting cancer just a little - so why not do it.
I wouldn’t base any diving practice on what CMAS historically allows. BSAC also historically allows people dive to 50 on a single and a pony on air. Statistically speaking, accidents rarely happen and people can survive a lot - loads of air divers who supposedly never get narked are just lucky. Same way people are lucky when they drive home from the pub, because “five & drive” and they drive jusr fine after few pints.
I wouldn’t base any diving practice on what CMAS historically allows. BSAC also historically allows people dive to 50 on a single and a pony on air. Statistically speaking, accidents rarely happen and people can survive a lot - loads of air divers who supposedly never get narked are just lucky. Same way people are lucky when they drive home from the pub, because “five & drive” and they drive jusr fine after few pints.
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