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I am thinking of not using my pony any more and switching to an H-valve and have a few question. Can you normally reach behind and shut your valves off? With my current single this is very hard to do and wouldn't expect it to be easier with an H-Valve. What is the standard hose routing for a H-Valve? Any other suggestions?
Thanks.
 
..........why is it hard to reach your current single valve ? If you can address that issue you'll have addressed the H-valve issue. I make it a point to mount my BC on my tanks so I can reach the valve......you may want to experiment with adjusting the 'height' of the BC relative to the tank.......most divers I see mount the tank so it 'drags' low.......have no idea why!
 
When I dive an "H" valve I dive a 7 foot primary and a 28" bungeed secondary, identical regulators. The primary goes on the center post. The hose routing for the primary is down my right side, either under my canister or, if I'm not wearing a canister, tucked into my belt, then up across my chest and around behind my neck and into my mouth. The secondary is routed over my right shoulder and hangs on a bungee (surgical tubing) necklace around my neck. The primary loop is on top of the secondary hose so the primary can be deployed to its full length without interference.
Reaching the valves is a requirement. If you can't reach the valves with your current arrangement modify it until you can.
Rick
 
In my DIR-F class, someone asked about the redundancy of the H valve and the response was that the benefit is offset by the inability of "pretty much anyone" to be able to actually reach and operate the left knob. I know it doesn't seem much different from an isolator, but remember that the isolator is aimed more toward your head, while the H-valve's knob is aimed away from you.

It may be a non-issue with a Y-valve.
 
scubafanatic once bubbled...
..........why is it hard to reach your current single valve ?

It seems as though the valve is too far behind me. Maybe if I raise the tank a little it might be easier.

Would A Y-valve be a better option?
 
rstark once bubbled...
Would A Y-valve be a better option?
Compared to an H, a Y more closely approximates doubles in that both knobs are in the same position on either side. They are also not on the centerline.

Better? You have the redundancy of the 2nd 1st stage, but still have no backup for a lost tank neck O-ring nor backup for simply going OOA due to poor planning.

The tank o-ring failure is highly unlikely, and poor planning can just as easily result in an OOA with a pony or doubles. More often than not, the use of a pony results in "oh gee, I have another 40cf hanging here... that's half an 80, I can run my back gas to 100psi".
Doubles? Back gas is back gas and poor planning will run them dry as easily as a single... problem is that running them dry is more critical because you're probably now into significant deco.

I'd say that if you can handle operating BOTH valves, and can deal with reconfiguring when you go on vacation, then the Y would be an improvement over a conventional single setup.

If you can't EASILY operate both valves, then I'd say stick with a single. Reason I say "easily" is that if it's not easy, you aren't going to get into the habit of checking them during the dive to ensure that they have not rolled off. It's no fun donating your primary and then discovering than your backup is dry because the left post has rolled off and the knob is broken off. Regularly check it.
 
rstark once bubbled...
Pros and cons of H vs Y?
I touched on that two messages up.
The left post is extremely difficult to reach and operate.
If you can't reach it and operate it and it gets rolled off, you've got two problems... you have no idea how much gas you have left, and if you have to go to your backup reg, it's going to be dry.

The only advantage I see to the H over the Y is that the H can be reconfigured into a doubles system without changing the valve.
 
Thanks Rich. Is Beuchat the only manufacturer?
 

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