Albany woman dies diving off south jetty in Newport, Oregon on Sunday.

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Not a bad idea. Certainly not something practiced nearly enough by the average diver.
Another thing. Some travel BCs are simply under powered. The other day, I just gave up on my old BC. I'd already decided it needed replacement but thought it could at least be used for teaching, during pool sessions. It is a really old BC that I've never really liked or trusted. I left it out on the water in the lake with an AL 63 and no weights ( it doesn't have an integrated system) and it sank despite being fully inflated. No leaks. It's simply that under powered. Yeah, worthless! Going in the trash! I can't believe I've actually put up with it for so long!
Let's just say, when I was feeling a little hormonal and was accused of buying "a lot" of replacement dive gear by my husband who has any and all dive gear whenever he needs it, I pretty much lost it! I don't know what got into him, he usually spoils me and for some reason accused me of buying all new dive gear like I'm a shopaholic?
Not a good week for me.
Okay, sorry, lost my dog today.

Dr. Tracy,

First, my condolescences for the loss of your dog; that can be very traumatic. I lost my dog, King (a German Shepherd) and felt it for quite a while. I finally had a dream where he came back and said he was okay, and that helped me out. He would follow my bubbles when I dove near my home in the North Umpqua River near Roseburg, Oregon. I have a photo of him somewhere looking down through the surface to see me about ten feet underwater.

Now, about your BC. I'm very curious why it would sink? Is it that it had weights attached? Was the tank heavy? I have been diving a long, long time, but I dive vintage with a separate weight belt, and my own design for a front-mount BC, so I'm pretty much out of the loop about a "travel BC". If you could explain that, I would appreciate knowing.

SeaRat

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DandyDon,

Here is a quote from my Vintage Scuba Supply website entry:
We swam upstream, against the far side of the cliff, and got into deeper, colder water (probably in the 40s, which made me happy I had my gloves on). I was now getting heavy, and so took the mouthpiece out of my mouth and blew a breath into my Para-Sea BC (first blowing the water out, then pushing the button to blow the air into the BC), then brought the Broxton mouthpiece over my head to clear it, and put it into my mouth. This is the old way of buoyancy compensation, rather than using the "push-button diving" (a Bill Herder term) technique that is common today. If you think about it, this is a more efficient technique for buoyancy compensation, as it uses already used exhalation air, rather than air directly from the scuba which takes a breath away from the breathable air.

This is pretty easy to do, but one thing people don't realize is that most oral inflation mechanisms have the ability to "clear" the mouthpiece first, before inflating the BC. That way you don't blow seawater into the BC. That's what those little holes are all about. You start blowing, and the water is blown out those holes, then push the oral inflation button and blow air into the BC. Don't blow a whole breath, as you may need a bit of air to clear the second stage. (In the example above, I was using the oldest of my regulators, a two-hose Broxton DA Aqua-Lung from the early 1950s, so all I needed to do was to put the mouthpiece above my head and it free-flowed; the same can be done with the purge button on a modern regulator.)

SeaRat

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To all,

A discussion of buoyancy and emergency techniques is great, but we need to realize that we do not know much specifically about this accident. There are factors that were mentioned above that are unique to the Oregon coast, and Yaquina Bay. Although it has been many years since I dove Yaquina Bay, here are a few insights.

--Tides: can be quite high. Here are the tides for last Sunday, September 23, 2012 at the entrance of Yaquina Bay:

Tides for Bar at entrance starting with September 23, 2012.
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Day....High Tide....Height....Sunrise....Moon....Time....% Moon
/Low Time Feet Sunset Visible

Su....23....Low....12:57 AM....0.1....7:05 AM....Set 12:10 AM....50
........23....High....7:42 AM....6.0.....7:11 PM....Rise....3:29 PM
........23....Low....12:55 PM...3.3
........23....High....6:50 PM.... 7.4

Note that the tides went from a high of 6 feet to a low of 3.3 feet, a difference of 2.7 feet of seawater.
But once the tides change, the tides wen from a low of 3.3 feet to a high of 7 feet, meaning that there
was a pretty hefty current after the low at about 1:00 PM, with an exchange of 3.7 feet. It's not real high,
but there will be a good current.

--Water Temperature: One person contributed that Oregon's water is cold. It is not unusual for summer temperatures
to be lower than in the winter (water in the 40's F in summer, and in the 50's F in the winter). This is because
we have north winds in the summer which blow warmer water off-shore, and it is replaced by very cold upwelled water
from great depths. This causes a characteristic fog bank off the Oregon coast.

--Air Temperatures were very mild, unusually warm for the summer on the coast.

--The south jetty has many small finger jetties, which are dive-able in any tidal current if
the divers are on the downsteam side of the current. But on the surface, especially at high tide,
these currents can be quite fast.

--Offshore waves: these enter the bay, and can be 3 feet or greater where divers dive on the
south jetty. Exits are onto large rocks, with highly variable surfaces, making water exits tricky.

All of these, as well as the issues we have discussed (and the fact that this was a multiple-dive
day), probably factored into this tragedy.

SeaRat
 

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With SeaRat's scene set, on the second dive I am quite cold and fatigued, worse if I misjudged the time and effort necessary, which will make me clumsy and stupid. If it starts into hypothermia, I'm on the road to perdition.

The first person I saw with hypothermia in the water was lucky because we were on our way up and out of the water at the time, because I didn't have a clue. They would respond to direct direction but would shortly loose intrest and stop. This happened repeatedly up the anchor line, luckily I got PO'ed and blew off the safety stop and got back on the boat where the DM did an "Oh Crap" and started treatment. In the debriefing, the subject did not understand he got too cold, or remember any of his odd behavior, his higher brain function just went on holiday without informing him, which I would compare to the insidiousness of a narc. I've seen it since and my response is much better now.

If these poor souls came in very fatigued and borderline hypothermic, it would be a daunting task to make an exit, and even harder, a rescue.


As I have gotten older, diving on the NorCal coast, I spend a lot more time evaluating what condition I will be in on my swim back to shore and exit than the old days. I find that I drop that last dive of the day way more often than I used to because I might not be able to take care of business the way I want to on that last dive. Not that I'm getting old....



Bob
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"the future is uncertain and the end is always near"
Jim Morrison

A man's got to know his limitations.
Harry Callahan
 
"First, my condolescences for the loss of your dog; that can be very traumatic. I lost my dog, King (a German Shepherd) and felt it for quite a while. I finally had a dream where he came back and said he was okay, and that helped me out. He would follow my bubbles when I dove near my home in the North Umpqua River near Roseburg, Oregon. I have a photo of him somewhere looking down through the surface to see me abouten feet underwater.

Now, about your BC. I'm very curious why it would sink? Is it that it had weights attached? Was the tank heavy? I have been diving a long, long time, but I dive vintage with a separate weight belt, and my own design for a front-mount BC, so I'm pretty much out of the loop about a "travel BC". If you could explain that, I would appreciate knowing."
Thanks, John, about my little dog. He was old but it was a very sudden loss.
About my BC, I'm not real sure. It's holding air but maybe not as well as it used to. It's about 15 years old and has never really been able to quite keep my chin above water, even with minimal weights in warm water. ( I wear 4 pounds with my 3 or 5 ml)
I think an AL 63 is only about 3 pounds negative when full but I'm not sure about my regulator and the valves. Maybe the BC took on some water in the first dive?
Maybe the BC only has 10 pounds of lift or less? I really don't know what it was originally rated at.
 
I got certified in 1983 by a guy who is now my cave diving buddy. Back then part of our training was harassment. Anything goes. Our instructiors turned off our air, knocked off our mask or fins or jerked our regulator out of our mouth. We learned to not panic and fix whatever was wrong.I understand that is not allowed now. I venture to say it would prevent some of these sensless drownings.The few times I have had a problem I just fixed it. Once I forgot to wet my cam band before putting it on. At 40 feet my tank was falling out and pulling my head backwards. I just took my BC off and repositioned my tank and retightened the camband and was on my way.
 
My IANTD training was like that ten years ago. BSAC training used to have elements of that, but back when they were a club only operation.
 
The problem of divers sinking after successfully reaching the surface was highlighted in our annual (BSAC) incident reports. As a result we've built into our training, at all levels, the removal of own and buddy's weight-belts. This activity is separate from rescue skills and its to remind divers that they can remove the weight-belt.

I've had students turn up with jackets with a lift capacity below 10Kg (for those who've forgotten: 1 Liter of air = 1Kg of lift), but wearing 12Kg of lead. To demonstrate the incompatibility I put the fully inflated jacket in the water and place the weight-belt on it. The owner gets the message when the whole lot sinks.

But a timely thread, I've got a club member who's just moved over to a weight harness - I need to ensure they've practiced the ditching of their own weights.

King regards
 
The problem of divers sinking after successfully reaching the surface was highlighted in our annual (BSAC) incident reports. As a result we've built into our training, at all levels, the removal of own and buddy's weight-belts. This activity is separate from rescue skills and its to remind divers that they can remove the weight-belt.

I've had students turn up with jackets with a lift capacity below 10Kg (for those who've forgotten: 1 Liter of air = 1Kg of lift), but wearing 12Kg of lead. To demonstrate the incompatibility I put the fully inflated jacket in the water and place the weight-belt on it. The owner gets the message when the whole lot sinks.

But a timely thread, I've got a club member who's just moved over to a weight harness - I need to ensure they've practiced the ditching of their own weights.

King regards
(emphasis added, jcr)
Edward,

Thank you for the reference to the BSAC. I used it to find, then download, their publication titled Safe Diving. In it, the BSAC states concerning buoyancy compensators:
Buoyancy compensators
Divers need to be able to adjust their buoyancy underwater to compensate for buoyancy losses due to pressure changes on descent, and then to reduce this buoyancy as they ascend. This may be provided by inflation of a drysuit or by means of some buoyancy compensating device. Total reliance on a drysuit is not sensible and a suitable buoyancy compensator (BC) should be worn on every open water dive. There are three main types of buoyancy compensator currently on the market, the Adjustable Diving Vest (ADV), the Stabiliser Jacket (STAB) and the ‘wings’ style of BC. Most are made in various sizes and care should be taken to choose the correct size and amount of buoyancy offered. All buoyancy compensators must have a direct feed mechanism for routine buoyancy adjustment. The diver’s other requirements for a buoyancy system are to stay afloat at the surface or to give emergency buoyancy whilst rescuing or being rescued. An inflated drysuit is not a good solution in these surface situations and drysuited divers must wear a buoyancy compensator to maintain and control positive buoyancy safely. Divers should minimise the number of buoyancy systems in use at any given time during the underwater phase of the dive. When wearing a dry suit it is recommended to use the drysuit only to compensate for loss of buoyancy due to compression at depth and change over to the BC for positive buoyancy at the surface. (emphasis added, jcr)
BSAC, Safe Diving, page 11
Very good information. Many here use dry suits, which in and of themselves are buoyancy compensators. But they forget that if it floods, buoyancy is lost. Also, as BSAC states, dry suits cannot help much on the surface, as any inflation of them simply puts a bubble of air behind one's shoulders, and then it escapes in the neck seal. The dry suit inflation system is meant to provide buoyancy compensation at depth, and prevent suit squeeze. The dry suit as a BC on the surface doesn't lift the diver's head up at all.

SeaRat
 
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I am *so* late to responding to this, but oh well.

Yes! I forget that so many divers who are certified don't really... THINK... about diving. I had this conversation with some divers recently and 1)none knew the lift capacity of their BC -- didn't even know BALLPARK when I asked them to guess and 2)I had to go through a few iterations of an explanation that if you are wearing X weight but your BC has X-N lift capacity, you might have a problem before a lightbulb went on.

Yikes.

What are they teaching these kids these days!? :)
 

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