Albany woman dies diving off south jetty in Newport, Oregon on Sunday.

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It used to be that some BASIC rescue skills such as panicked diver at the surface, unconscious diver from depth, supporting a diver at the surface and helping them achieve positive buoyancy, and rescue tows while sfripping gear were taught as part of the OW class. Some agencies still do. Others force people to wait for a rescue class. The removal of those skills from basic OW certification and the decision to do that is as much responsible for this woman's death as any other factor. In my opinion that is. Yes she should not have run out of air. But with a a buddy who knows how to assist another because they have been shown, OOA is not a life threatening event. It's an inconvenience.
But I guess that's not reason enough to require two extra hours in the pool to do those skills.

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I learned to orally inflate my BC at the surface after each dive from SB - it might have been boulderjohn's practice that he commented on. It is a good idea. Also, once I forgot my drysuit inflator hose so I routed my BC inflator to my suit. During the dive I added air to my wing orally while under water when needed. This was a fun experience. Furthermore, if I ever had to do so again (say with an OOA diver) then I know that it is feasible.

It used to be that some BASIC rescue skills such as panicked diver at the surface, unconscious diver from depth, supporting a diver at the surface and helping them achieve positive buoyancy, and rescue tows while sfripping gear were taught as part of the OW class. Some agencies still do. Others force people to wait for a rescue class. The removal of those skills from basic OW certification and the decision to do that is as much responsible for this woman's death as any other factor.

Not to derail the conversation, but I completely agree. My basic OW course taught me how to deal with panicked divers, how to ascertain consciousness and responsiveness underwater, how to surface with an unconscious diver, etc.... My next 20 dives or so were done with many other OW divers from a different agency. I was shocked when, on dive 21, my buddy told me that he did not know how to rescue a diver - I had assumed that all OW divers were trained to that level. Now I assume that my insta-buddy isn't rescue trained and I tell them that, in the event that I become unconscious, if nothing else I'd like them to drop my weights and turn me into an ICBM. Like Bob DBF I'd rather be bent on the surface than lost at 80 ft in water with 15 ft vis.
 
But I guess that's not reason enough to require two extra hours in the pool to do those skills

That is the point. Diving has become too easy, too approachable, and training (usually) too skimpy to cover anything beyond the absolute basics of how to do it. The only thing about accidents like this that surprises me is that there aren't far more of them.
 
another issue i've been noticing, from your experience do you find that most divers are way overweighted?

me personally i find it very easy to stay on the surface even with a deflated bcd (i dive 8lbs in a 3mm wetsuit)... muchless for when your tank is empty and more bouyant
 
I've never dove off the Oregon coast but I grew up in Oregon and lived most of my life there and have spent lots of time on the Oregon coast, including Newport. There's lots of surge and the water is murky and very cold, like turn you blue make your hands numb and your face hurt cold. Don't know what these folks were wearing for exposure protection, but it sounds like this wasn't the day's first dive so they were probably cold and tired. Even with training, doing exercises and dealing with a real-world emergency under multiple stressors are very different things.

I think I remember OW training in the pool about bringing up an unresponsive diver, but it definitely wasn't until rescue that there was any training about dealing with a panicked diver. Having just finished rescue I'm willing to say that if you dive with people you love, or even folks you like a little bit, rescue training is probably worth having.
 
I started this thread in hopes that someone with more information could fill in the blanks. Given the scant information provided, we could all come to the obvious critiques, but they are somewhat meaningless verbal showboating without specific information.

It is especially tragic when someone reaches the surface, but then drowns. Doubly so with someone there to assist. So many ways this could have gone otherwise, I suspect. I grieve for the husband who will have to live with this for the rest of his life; just thinking of the horror of that experience makes me dizzy. Just hoping we can learn something from it.

Now, to add to the showboating that does generate some good discussion (but does it belong in this thread?):

- I agree that many new divers are over weighted. It's done (and therefore ends up being "taught" to new divers, even if unintentionally) as compensation for bad buoyancy control. Better to stay down than bob up and down seems to be the logic.. which is not really good given that you don't always want to be down with fewer options. Some people never take the time once they are diving more frequently and improving to actually fine tune it.

- Regular practice of skills needed in an emergency is vital -- but almost no recreational divers that I know do it. This is why I like the "tech flavored rec" training I've had exposure to which does integrate these habits of practicing skill drills. Orally inflate your BC. Ditch your weights. Ditch your BC. Work w/ your buddy to resolve problems. PRACTICE. If you do things right on a dive to dive basis, you won't NEED your emergency/rescue skills very often, so when you DO, you want them to still be sharp.

- And don't even get me STARTED on gas management. Suffice to say there are pockets of people here in the PNW (and elsewhere I'm sure) with whom this is almost a normal and regular occurrence. They learned bad habits, are too stupid to know any better, and/or sometimes don't even learn after MULTIPLE close calls. WTF!? My bottom line? ** IT SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN. ** You have the ability to plan and execute dives such that you do not run out of air. Yes, it takes knowledge, skill, and practice. It's worth it. You aren't "wasting" air or opportunity if you come up with 500 lbs (as someone has told me). *shriek of frustration*

(I am not a dive professional, just a recreational diver trained through PADI Rescue Diver. My personal interest is in seeing newly minted divers in my area get the experience under their belt to bridge the gap that exists between certified diver and actual competent diver. There is a period during which the lessons taught in OW certification solidify, problem solving skills are tested and extended, and the diver actually becomes a capable, competent person able to handle a myriad of situations and the innumerable things that can arise if things go wrong. (This may be less for some people, and more for others. It's individual. Has something to do with the flavor of their training and the quality of their instructor along with their own abilities. But that period DOES exist for all. I have yet to meet someone who comes out of any OW class who I'd want to go directly into the sh*t with.))

EDIT: After reading Jim's comment, I wanted to add I do not mean I won't dive with new divers, but when doing so am very aware they are NEW divers, and are untested in a way if an emergent situation arises. I wouldn't want to say to a new diver, "Hey, let's try this horrible entrance to a stiff current and bad vis!"
 
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Too bad, I've met a couple. Course they came out of a little bit different type of OW class. And no I'm not talking about my students here. But some that other instructors that teach like I do have produced. My students I'd dive with anywhere that was within their recommended limits. Knowing that if the stuff hit the fan they know what to do.
 
another issue i've been noticing, from your experience do you find that most divers are way overweighted?

me personally i find it very easy to stay on the surface even with a deflated bcd (i dive 8lbs in a 3mm wetsuit)... muchless for when your tank is empty and more bouyant

Do remember that there's a world of difference between diving in warm water with minimal exposure protection, and being in cold water with either a thick wetsuit or a dry suit. Suits that give a lot of insulation are bulky and you need much more weight to stay down at depth, so you have to enter the water with that extra weight. Emergency drills such as dumping weights become far more significant in cold water.
 
One of the instructors we know orally inflates his BC every time he surfaces. He says that will keep the concept of doing so fresh in his mind, for a time when it might be needed. It sounds like orally inflating her BC was not something that occurred to this poor lady.

I won't even get started on the concept of gas management . . .
Not a bad idea. Certainly not something practiced nearly enough by the average diver.
Another thing. Some travel BCs are simply under powered. The other day, I just gave up on my old BC. I'd already decided it needed replacement but thought it could at least be used for teaching, during pool sessions. It is a really old BC that I've never really liked or trusted. I left it out on the water in the lake with an AL 63 and no weights ( it doesn't have an integrated system) and it sank despite being fully inflated. No leaks. It's simply that under powered. Yeah, worthless! Going in the trash! I can't believe I've actually put up with it for so long!
Let's just say, when I was feeling a little hormonal and was accused of buying "a lot" of replacement dive gear by my husband who has any and all dive gear whenever he needs it, I pretty much lost it! I don't know what got into him, he usually spoils me and for some reason accused me of buying all new dive gear like I'm a shopaholic?
Not a good week for me.
Okay, sorry, lost my dog today.
 
I've been thinking about the idea of orally inflating more often. Good idea to practice it in calm conditions, but at sea - I really like to keep my reg in my mouth until I'm back on the boat. I've done it at sea once when I failed to notice a loose connection on a new BC, but if there are waves - troublesome. My bud & I drill on ditching weights first dive of every trip as well as ditching each others. Orally inflating would be preferable in good conditions, but be sure you can drop weights. Well, some people don't use weights, so I don't know about them. :dontknow:

I've often wondered how much more dangerous shore dives are than boat dives, and we often see newbies wanting shore dives to save money. :shakehead:

Not a bad idea. Certainly not something practiced nearly enough by the average diver.
Another thing. Some travel BCs are simply under powered. The other day, I just gave up on my old BC. I'd already decided it needed replacement but thought it could at least be used for teaching, during pool sessions. It is a really old BC that I've never really liked or trusted. I left it out on the water in the lake with an AL 63 and no weights ( it doesn't have an integrated system) and it sank despite being fully inflated. No leaks. It's simply that under powered. Yeah, worthless! Going in the trash! I can't believe I've actually put up with it for so long!
Let's just say, when I was feeling a little hormonal and was accused of buying "a lot" of replacement dive gear by my husband who has any and all dive gear whenever he needs it, I pretty much lost it! I don't know what got into him, he usually spoils me and for some reason accused me of buying all new dive gear like I'm a shopaholic?
Not a good week for me.
Okay, sorry, lost my dog today.
I have never believed in "travel BCs." I use a lot less lead in Cozumel than in a New Mexico spring, but take the same BC with a hell of a lot of lift. Glad you survived that piece of junk. Very sorry about your dog. As far as the husband, order some Geoducks. ;)
 
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