Aggressor II to Galapagos - DO NOT GO ON IT.

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I sincerely hope that our trip was a fluke. But we will never know how many people were given hush money because we won't hear from them. For me, it was just way too many things to ignore.

Apparently that guy Ramiro does not work on the fleet anymore. He is the dive guide that was hitting on the females, and who was harassing the tortoises. Yuck.
 
I read you letters in the Forum and before I make a few comments about you disappointing trip I have to express that:

1_ you have all the rights and reasons to complain if you feel that the service you obtained was not what you expected, and situations like this unfortunately happen.

2_The positive part of all this is that your complaint probably hit the “high levels” so it is highly probable that a similar situation will not occur to the next visitors, things will hopefully get fixed (the cabin problems) and people disciplined.

If you read my profile I am a former guide-divemaster onboard different dive boats in the Galapagos Islands (including the Aggressor boats), by the way I do not work for the Galapagos Aggressor anymore, I stopped working for them more that 3 years ago, and I very often I let my impression of certain aspects of the operation be known when it was necessary during the time I worked for them or any other live-aboard in the Galapagos, an action that does not leads to being very popular in certain circles.


Your comment
The first problem has to do with our room (# 7, upper level, starboard side). There was a significant leak (you could actually hear the water sloshing next to the closet), making the floor very wet. We could not put anything on the floor because we learned on the first night, it would get……………….


Mechanical issues occur in all live aboards, but that is not an excuse, you simply paid for a comfortable room and you did not get it, and have all the rights to complain, again you actually helped someone else as it is expected that such problems be fixed, and they place more attention upon this matters in the future.

Just because it happens in many boats worldwide it should not mean that is “acceptable in the industry”.

Your comment
On at least 2 occasions, a crew member entered our room without knocking. One time I was in the bathroom, another time I was about to get undressed.


No excuse for this, but it happens in many places: hotels, at home, etc,. It is a human error that should not happen in the tourism industry, but it occurs worldwide. I can imagine that after the technical problem in your cabin, you did not have a good day and any inconvenience and mistake added-up to that.

Your comment:
Some other equipment issues on the boat were the satellite and the hot tub. There was no any email communication available,…………………..


If they offer something they must deliver it, e-mail is offered and you expected it, you have all the rights to complain about this. Hot tub the same; if offered it should be delivered. Regarding the temperature, I suggest that in the brochure the live aboards should actually WRITE the temperature, so there is no room for misinterpretation and the crews should actually keep and use a thermometer to be sure it is at the promised numbers. It sounds too bureaucratic, but that it should leave no space for misinterpretations and mistakes.

Your comment
I will start with Solon. His dive briefings were rote, mundane, and completely unenthusiastic. On the very first day (after he just had 2 weeks off), he looked overtly burned out and tired………………………..


It would be ideal if you can get similar comments from the other passengers, if someone if tired or unenthusiastic at work all passengers noticed.

Here I am not trying to give an excuse, just remember that DMs are humans, they have good days, bad days, issues at home, they break up with wives and girlfriends or boyfriends, some problems at home, etc.. I sometimes compared the job to an opera, inside we have a big problem that affects us, but on the outside we had to be smiling and look happy, I used to say “the show must go on”, it is hard to have personal problems and at the same time be smiling and “look enthusiastic”. I have no idea what was going through the DM mid that week, neither do you.

It is sad you met this person in a bad situation that added to your previous problems (and this should not be an excuse), but remember that DMs are humans not robots.

Your comment:
There were two occasions when one of the less experienced divers specifically requested a DM escort (Solon), and both times he abandoned her under the water.



One common misconception amongst divers visiting the islands is that the divemaster is there to “babysit” them, but such is not the case, and that is usually expressed in the welcome briefing (I did it every week onboard the Aggressor and even in other boats).

This is because of the legal responsibilities/liability issues, if a DM expresses during a briefing that “he will take care” or “be the dive-buddy” of a diver that feels uncomfortable in/or under a particular situation underwater, he is legally responsible if something goes wrong. In other words: DMs are only underwater guides when leading certified divers, they are not instructors (instructors have a legal responsibility to take care).

What I just mentioned is the official line, however, yes, I had to “babysit” divers, and help with:
a) The buoyancy issues, poor buoyancy skills.
b) Help with fear of sharks, (being there for psychological reasons).
c) poor diving skills in general,
d) mainly in Galapagos with its difficult currents I had to take care of divers basically diving beyond their skills levels, that did not wanted to miss a dive or look as inexperienced in front of others.

All DMs do it there (babysit), but it is really unofficial, legally there are many implications of accepting being the “dive-buddy” of a passenger. When I worked there every week there was a semi-rescue or difficult scenario that could have lead to a disaster if the DM was not there to help. Through the peak of the whale shark season I did at least 5-7 “out of air” or “almost out of air” rescues, it became a routine, every year. This happened many occasions after the briefings were given before every dive reminding divers of checking their air.

Your comment
“Ramiro made passes at two of the female divers. The first one was able to effectively stop his behavior immediately. …………………………………………………………”.


There is no excuse for this behaviour, and there is a specific briefing given to new employees at the Galapagos Aggressor and all the live aboards in the Galapagos about this delicate matter. I know of employees fired for behaving like this, not only in this boat, but on any boat in the Galapagos.

Your complaint about the sexual harassment case could be better validated if the victim(s) of such action substantiate your claim, probably they are aware of this forum and can come forward and confirm your words and appreciation of the events. Also the rest of the passengers that saw this situation can come forward and confirm you appreciations of the DM actions. Probably you have their e-mails and can contact them to confirm you words.

Actually you MUST do it (contact them, so they, the victims also complain), if not some of your most important and critical complaints will be unsubstantiated.


Your comment
On our last dive, Ramiro demonstrated some extremely poor judgment by having us swim against a very strong current at a depth of 100 feet…………


It is hard to make comments about specific circumstances in a particular dive, all I can tell you is that many of us occasionally swam for a short time against the current in the Galapagos diving scenario, it is not common, and it definitively does not happens on every dive, but it happens.

The same happens with the “jigsaw” dive profiles, the whale sharks are occasionally shallow and occasionally deeper (DM are supposed to show them to divers), if a divers feels it is unsafe to follow a DM he/she should simply not follow and openly express him impression/opinion after the dive, each diver is responsible for his actions and should not follow actions he/she feels or thinks are unsafe.

These profiles are very common there, and yes I agree they are not the ideal ones, just imagine how I felt after 4 dives of having similar profiles every 3 days of the week, but if you did not agreed with it, just not do them.


Your comment
Ramiro decided to be helpful and wave his hands and make sounds in front of the turtles’ faces, trying to get them to pick up their heads for the cameras. I actually lost it when he had the audacity to walk on the platform and actually knock on the shell of one…………………


Again there is simply no excuse for this behaviour and actions, it is against park rules and guides should lead by example, it is disrespect for nature and there are sanctions for guides that break rules on the island. The Galapagos Park Service will be very interested if you have videos or photos of these actions.

If a guide has language problems then the dive operator should hire the ones that can communicate in the language of their customers. Unfortunately lately there is a shortage of good guides on the islands, and boats occasionally have a hard time finding a guide with a good reputation, it is even harder to find the combination of certified land-guide/certified divemaster. As expected the prices or day-rate go up with the quality. Your letter will ring the bells of the management regarding these issues.

Your comment
There are two issues with the dinghy boats. One is the exit procedure………………………….


Sorry but there is no other way to get in the water in that place. Yes, it is the most disorienting way to get in the water, and accidents can happen, but there is no other way to get in, specially with in the currents and the small area to dive, if you “miss the target” you end up in deep water. There is little that can be done to change that, and thousands of experienced and inexperienced divers do it in Galapagos every year. The procedure is seen in every video advertising the Galapagos Islands diving.

Your comment:
The whale shark was right at the surface, and the dinghy prop hit its dorsal fin. The prop stopped moving; but picked up again …………………………………………..


The whale sharks are big creatures, and I have seen them surfacing UNDER a dinghy, and lifting part of it, dinghy drivers are very careful when they move in an area with divers and whale sharks, but an accident like that can happen, I imagine it was totally unintentional.

The DM was upset probably not because the passengers/client saw this, but just because it happened; divemasters like whale sharks, hang their pictures on the walls, draw it on their diving suits, and dream about them. Divemasters even get tattoos of whale sharks on their bodies.

Yes, scars can get infections, etc. but just remember that it is a fact that they have a thick skin, and occasionally big oceanic and Galapagos sharks attack whale sharks (I have seen the scars, the actions and the cuts by other sharks), although it is not an excuse, this was not a whale shark condemned to die due to a skin infection.


Dolphins rarely get it by a boat, a dolphin is not a “dead body” in the ocean, and it can easily avoid a dinghy, even if the driver intentionally tries to hit it. The whale shark incident was an unfortunate event that added to you previous situations.


Although as a former guide/divemaster it is sad to read a case like yours, it is thanks to people like you that take the time and energy to complain and let things know that the quality and reliability of the diving industry improves.

In many ways you are helping the industry to get better and improve, and helping other divers not to go through the same ordeal you lived; I hope that next time you take a live aboard in the Galapagos or anywhere else you have a more pleasant experience.

YOU MUST GET THE VICTIMS OF THE HARRASMENT TO COME FORWARD, IF NOT IT WILL CAST DOUBTS UPON YOUR UNFORTUNATE TRIP DESCRIPTION

At least the diving was good,

Keep diving, and stay wet (but only when you go diving, not in you room like in that trip).


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Two things here... first it is not OK to catch a whale shark with a prop, doesn't matter how small the prop. I bet you wouldn't put your hand in a blender. A 10cm prop is 120 times smaller than a 12m whale shark. A 1 cm blender blade is about 180 times smaller than 2m tall adult. Personally, I really don't want to get injured by a spinning blender blade.
"The skin of an adult whale shark may attain a thickness of over 100mm, limiting its possible predators to great white sharks, tiger sharks and orcas, and although none have been observed attacking a whale shark, some individuals show scars and bite marks from apex predators." (Whale Shark - Physical Characteristics)

So your 10cm prop won't even cut through the skin. Like I said, a paper cut.

A good captain shouldn't even be spinning the prop near the shark and actually they are not that difficult to spot. It is always possible that it would come up directly under the boat but very unlikely given that the whale shark doesn't want to hit the boat anyway.

They're hard enough to spot on a sunny calm day in Roatan, from my experience, with that clear blue water. With the normal Darwin's Arch whale-shark season conditions of 10'+ swells, whitecaps from the wind, overcast skies to block out the light, and reduced underwater visibility, when the single panga driver is busy looking out for divers surfacing far off and possibly in trouble, and looking for bubbles of divers surfacing nearer to the boat, it's certainly excusable if once in a rare while a whale shark surfaced unexpectedly and accidentally got a paper cut from the prop.

Undoubtedly, there was no way for the panga driver to avoid it, unless you're accusing him of deliberate running it over. If you think whale sharks are so endangered by diving operations in general that diving around them should be banned, take your crusade to the Sea Shepherds or PADI. Otherwise, if diving from pangas is allowed to go on during whale shark season at Darwin's Arch, whale sharks will continue to occasionally receive paper cuts.

An injury like this opens the skin and leaves the shark vulnerable to infection. An infection can cause bigger issues if it is left unattended. It will also be a shark that is shy of encounter boats in the future.

Good grief! Sharks are extremely resistant to infections and heal extremely fast. The prop cut probably won't even be noticeable on the whale shark after a day or two and it would have a better chance of winning the Ecuadorian lottery than contracting an infection from a paper cut.

Synchronized backward rolls are dangerous with inexperienced divers, especially in stronger currents. Inexperienced divers often don't understand the importance of synchronization and coordination on the roll and cause head injures to other divers. It has happened to me, having huge guy land on my head after he decided that it would be better not to tell anyone he wasn't ready so he didn't delay things. He landed on the crown of my head ripping a good chunk of skin off my scalp and ending a dive that took me 2 hours to get to and cost me $120. Yes, it was in the Galapagos. It's not the entry I have issues with it is the manner in which it is conducted, without emphasis to the divers on the importance of a coordinated/synchronized roll.
It sounds like you didn't dive from the Aggressor, so maybe the land-based dive op you dove with didn't properly brief the divers. On the Aggressor, however, or at least when I went, they made sure to stress the importance of a simultaneous entry or to wait if not ready to enter the water until the panga driver gave a clear signal. That still doesn't mean you don't get kicked and smashed into each other and the panga when you're bouncing around in those 10'+ swells at Darwin's Arch, but at least no one lands on your head.
 
If I'm not mistaken, 10 cm = 100 mm so I would think that prop could inflict a fairly serious gash on the whale shark.
 
"The skin of an adult whale shark may attain a thickness of over 100mm..."

So your 10cm prop won't even cut through the skin. Like I said, a paper cut.

Who says Americans don't understand the metric system!?!

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And to answer the other Q-
<<mocrumbo- I have a question- If you dove in June, why are you reporting this now? Not that there is any statute of limitations on a dive report, but I'm curious what motivated you to go public 6 months after the trip?>>

This is because there was one other passenger who opted to take the money. I did not want to screw that up by going public before the refund was issued.

it took them over 6 months for the refund? that's pretty long.


what was the refund amount (or amount offered) for the trip?
 
If I'm not mistaken, 10 cm = 100 mm so I would think that prop could inflict a fairly serious gash on the whale shark.
The human skin averages 2-3mm in thickness. A nick in the skin of that depth on the back of a human (and it is only a nick to a 15m creature) would cause minor bleeding, but would hardly be "serious" unless infection set in. Sharks don't have to worry as much about infection as we do. Trust me, the shark will get over it, and probably forgot about it a few minutes after the incident if it even felt it at all - unless we're of the belief that sharks feel and remember pain the same way we do.

There's no defense for intentional or even negligent abuse of animals of any kind (except for cockroaches, perhaps, and maybe the few rats in my attic that the exterminator recently dispatched), but it is necessary to put things into perspective. In a world where Taiwainese consider whale shark "tofu fish" because of its delicate texture, whale sharks are suffering and dying in captivity even in our own country (thanks Atlanta), and their fins can make shark-fin soup in China to feed a wedding banquet of 1,000, the fact of a panga driver accidentally running one over and likely causing very little harm is mildly distressing but hardly the end of the world. If we continue to dive there, these sorts of accidents will continue to happen, like it or not.
 

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