Advise neeed on new gear, weighting, and lift

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Sami

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I am a new diver who is about to purchase my first set of gear. I have spent the last month researching various setups and pieces of gear to try to come up with something that I am likely to remain happy with. The choices are a bit overwhelming, and from what I have read here, many people seem to regret some of the early purchases. Therefore, I would greatly appreciate some feedback on my preliminary list of things to get (see below). I would also like to feedback on weight and lift.

As a bit of background, I am 167 cm (5’6”) and weigh 64 kg (141 lbs). I live in Singapore and I plan to mostly dive the neighboring countries, which means warm tropical waters (80 degrees and warmer), but I will probably do some occasional diving in temperate waters when traveling. So far I have only used a few rented BCDs of the jacket type. I don’t remember the specific brands of these BCDs, but one thing that they had in common—at least for me—was that they tended to shift around a bit on me (ride up a bit around the armpits when I was in a vertical position in the water, etc). I also found that the tank would “flop around” a bit, and the entire setup didn’t seem very streamlined. For these reasons, I think that I may be better off with a backplate + wing system. I also like the idea of upgradeability that would come with a BP/W setup. For the moment I am only planning to do “regular” recreational diving, but I don’t want to rule out some technical diving at some point in the future. So the BP/W route seems like the way to go. Basically, I want something durable, upgradeable, and sensible. And of course I would prefer to not spend an arm and a leg…

With that said, here is my tentative list of things to get:

  • Hammerhead aluminum backplate
  • Oxycheq Signature Series wing, 30 lbs lift
  • Hammerhead 2 piece light STA
  • Hammerhead hog harness kit
  • DiveRite tank straps (S/S hinge buckles)
  • Apeks ATX-50 first and second stage w/DIN valve
  • DIN-to-yoke adapter
  • ScubaPro R190 secondary regulator
  • OMS SPG
  • Suunto Vytec DS wrist unit

In total this comes to about $1,200 ($455 for the BP/W, STA and straps; $300 for the 1st and 2nd stages, octopus and SPG—these are lightly used but I will have them serviced and if necessary rebuilt; and $445 for the Suunto Vytec DS without the air integration transmitter—I may spring for the transmitter at a later stage but I would probably keep the OMS SPG as a backup).

One thing that I am wondering about is backplate type (aluminum versus stainless steel) and weighting. Currently I am wearing about 3 kg (around 6 lbs) of weights while wearing a 3 mm shorty and diving with an aluminum tank and a jacket-style BCD in tropical ocean water. Is the Hammerhead aluminum backplate a good choice, or would the steel backplate be better? The aluminum BP plus lightweight STA weighs 3 lbs 14 oz according to their website, while the steel BP plus the same STA weighs 7 lbs 7 oz. From what I understand, a wing BCD will have less inherent buoyancy than a jacket BCD, so I would probably have to decrease the amount of weight that I am wearing based on that alone. But, I don’t want to reach the point where I am neutral or negative even without wearing any ditchable weight. Having some ditchable weight on a weightbelt seems like a good idea, if only for the reason that I would like to be able to remove the BP/W while in the middle of the water column while remaining approximately as buoyant as the BP/W (having all the weight on the BP/W would mean that the BP/W and me would want to go in different directions…) Yet I would like to wear as little weight on my weight belt as possible, while still wearing some. So does the aluminum BP seem like the best choice?

By the way, I grew up swimming in the lakes of Sweden, where 70 degrees was considered very warm and a reason to play around for hours in the water… So I cannot imagine wearing anything more than a shorty while diving in the tropical waters where I will do most of my diving. I may add a diveskin for protection against stings and the like, but I will probably wear a full neoprene suit only when I occasionally go diving in other parts of the world. So please consider my question about backplate type in light of this.

Another thing I am wondering about is wing lift. From what I understand, 30 lbs lift would seem to be enough when diving with single aluminum tanks, and I assume that the 30 lbs Oxycheq wing would be somewhat more streamlined than the 45 lbs wing. However, the recent thread on downcurrents has made me wonder if it would not be good to have the extra 15 lbs of available lift, if I was to be caught in a violent downcurrent. On the other hand, I am a racing cyclist and strong swimmer with good endurance and well controlled breathing, so perhaps I would be able to hold up against most currents? I am just guessing, since downcurrents is outside my realm of experience. Perhaps the 45 lbs of lift would simply make me more likely to get into accidents due to too rapid ascents?
 
Here are the remaining things on my to-buy lists. Comments and suggestions would be much appreciated…

  • Suunto SK7 compass
  • ScubaPro jet fins
  • TUSA Platina mask, or Cressi Sub, or Mares Licra, or Tusa Visulator (whatever fits best)
  • Light for night diving (not sure about type or brand—any recommendations?)
  • Blunt-tipped short knife
  • Surgical shears
  • Supersize “sausage” SMB with marine grade reflective tape
  • DiveAlert noisemaker
  • Storm whistle
  • Signaling mirror
  • Strobe
  • Dye packs
  • Possibly an inflatable personal life raft (yes, I am the type who like to be prepared for the worst-case scenario…)
 
Greetings...It looks like you have done a lot of research.
I have yet to try a Bp/w setup I would like to just haven't had the opportunity.
I purchased a slightly used Zeagle Ranger BC after my open water and trying a few other BCs having the same problems that you described. With the 2 tank straps and quality of design (Adjustability) and construction I have not had any problems that made diving with the other BCs uncomfortable.

Just some thoughts.... Many ways to accomplish the same goal.

I like your thinking on multiple signaling devices also...
 
Looks like you did a great job with the research. The only selection I would question is the R190 rather than an Apeks octo. I like my SP regs but it is just easier if it is all one brand when it comes time to find a shop for service. And I believe the Apeks T20 will be a bit cheaper and should give a little better performance as it is a balanced design. Or for a bit more you could have a 2nd TX50 for an octo (with or without the funky yellow cover).

I think the Al plate and a few pounds on a belt is the way to go. But I dive a 6 lb Al plate that leaves me 6 lb negative in warm FW wkith no neoprene which is not a problem. It iws nice needing little to no weight on a belt.
 
Sounds like a pretty sweet system. Nice prices, too! Good job, Sami.
 
awap:
Looks like you did a great job with the research. The only selection I would question is the R190 rather than an Apeks octo. I like my SP regs but it is just easier if it is all one brand when it comes time to find a shop for service.

Yes, I think you are right that service would be easier with two Apeks. The only reason why I am going for the ScubaPro R190 as the secondary regulator is that I am buying the first stage, two regulators, and SPG as a pack from someone else--therefore the low overall price. Yes, they have been used by that person (a few dozen dives). I am planning to have them serviced by a professional so I think that buying them used seems reasonably safe.

awap:
I think the Al plate and a few pounds on a belt is the way to go. But I dive a 6 lb Al plate that leaves me 6 lb negative in warm FW wkith no neoprene which is not a problem. It iws nice needing little to no weight on a belt.

OK, so it sounds like the Al plate would be the best choice. Obviously everyone is a bit different, but if you are 6 lbs negative with an Al plate and no neoprene, then I may find the stainless steel plate to be too heavy if I only wear a 3 mm shorty. And I guess that it would be easier and safer to add a bit of weight to a light Al plate than to try to compensate for excess weight on a steel plate.

scotward2001 and Sasquatch, thanks for the feedback. There is probably a jacket-style BCD that may would fit me well but I think that I am pretty sold on the BP/W setup. The ability to switch wings sounds like a cost-saver over the long run, and most people seem to really like the BP/W style.
 
Does anyone have any opinion about whether I should chose the 30 lbs wing or the 45 lbs wing? As I mentioned I am guessing that the 30 lbs wing should be OK most of the time, but I am wondering whether there are circumstances when I may find an extra 15 lbs of lift useful (such as if I was to encounter a fierce downcurrent).

Or would I just be inviting trouble by choosing the 45 lbs wing?
 
I use a 30 lb wing and it has always been more than enough for warm and temperate water (5mm neoprene).

Eventually you will wnat a backup regulator so you can straighten out the brands then ifm you need to. The R190 will work just fine. I use a plastic bottle cap and a band made of bungee to depress the purge button on my R190 when it is stored. That way I can get 2 or 3 years out of the LP seat before I have to flip it.
 
I agree that an Al plate is probably the best choice for your first plate. I would suggest that you consider getting a standard one piece STA. They are much easier to use and the weighting is gonna be pretty close to what you need. Any of them would be fine... OMS, Oxy, H, Salvo... there's a long list of makes.

I would also suggest that a 30# wing is more than enough. In fact, for the kind of diving that you describe an 18# wing would be ideal... although you do sacrifice versatility with this little wing.
 

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