ABALONE JOE -- of Catalina Island ????

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Sam Miller III

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RE: Abalone JOE.

In the 1950s there number of characters who populated or were frequent visitors to Catalina Island especially Avalon. John Caradine, father of the actors, who would have a few drinks then entertain the visitors with his magnificent voice reciting Shakespeare -- hours and hours of Shakespeare..the actor John Wayne and all his cronies; Ward Bond, Bill Holden, Bruce Cabot were known to have tipped a few...I recall setting next to a 1950s heartthrob Jeanie Crane chatting about diving... so many moons ago

However I am interested in information on "Abalone Joe."

He was foreign born had a Scandinavian accent - I some how recall he was from Denmark. He lived in a small home in San Pedro but would row his boat standing up all the way to the island to the west end quarry where he could use the same docking facilities made many generations before for the epic B&W Silent movie "Birth if a nation" by the great director D. W. Griffin.

He was famous for rowing his boat up and down the island using a look box to locate and a long hook to pull off the then plentiful green, pink and occasional white abalones. He would then , shuck, pound the abalone and row among the yachts to sell them. The F&G never objected of his enterprise and they certainly must have known about him...

Some time around the late 1950s perhaps early 1960s he disappeared from the Catalina scene.

I realize all this was prior to your intro to diving and probably long before many of you took your first terrestrial breath, but I am researching some one that so little is known and nothing has been written, therefore I would like to obtain some information about him to wit;

His birth name?
His nationality?
His date of departure from this earth

And any and all information I can glean.

I some how suspect Dr. Bill might have the answers but then some of you might recall your parents who also knew him, up close and personal as I did or as a Legend of Catalina island which he certainly was.

I appreciate any and all assistance..sdm
 
I'm pretty sure Abalone Joe was gone by the time I arrived here in the late 1960's, Sam. At that time I lived in Toyon Bay and had very little contact with the ab divers who were either based in Avalon or frequented it. I didn't move into town until nearly 10 years later.

Of course I remember John Caradine. In fact, I taught one of his grand daughters (Callista) at the old Catalina Island School in Toyon Bay.

One day I almost killed John Wayne. I was rounding the blind corner below the Zane Grey going uphill and this "idiot" in one of the ancient rental cars came at me head-on going downhill on my side of the road. I swerved as did he. When I looked back, I saw it was none other than the Duke. My old M38A1 military jeep would have crushed his puny cart as well as the Duke himself and his passengers. A number of times I'd paddle my kayak around his "Wild Goose" as it was anchored off White's Landing. I kept hoping to get an invite on board, but never did.
 
. A number of times I'd paddle my kayak around his "Wild Goose" as it was anchored off White's Landing. I kept hoping to get an invite on board, but never did.

And after saving his life! No gratitude at all. ;)
 
Ha, Fisheater. I think he recognized me as the driver and that's why I wasn't invited on board.
 
On the Wild Goose, John was frequently sans toupee. Maybe he didn't want you to see his bald head. Brings back memories. I'm sorry I never got to meet the Abalone man.

Does anyone know what the rules for taking abalone were in the 50's? Were there any?
 
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Does anyone know what the rules for taking abalone were in the 50's? Were there any?
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Yes there were "rules" which one must assume you mean F&G Laws.

The take was 5 per day in combination of all species .

Abalone (haliotis) were commonly identified by "color" Black, Green, Pink, Red, White & Pinto, but were also identified by shell shape, number of holes, depth found, color of meat, etc ....

Each species had a specific minimum shell size;
*** Black 5 inches
*** Green 6 inches
*** Pink 6-1/4 inches ( changed about 1965 to 6 inches)
*** Red 7 inches
*** White 6 inches
*** Pinto 6 Inches (rare after 1955)

Commercial minimum size all species -7 inches
 
Good luck Sam hope you find info on Abalone Joe

I would love to hear more stories about Catalina in the old days, 40s, 50s, 60s .... maybe you could start a thread, or use this one if that's ok
 
Good luck Sam hope you find info on Abalone Joe

I would love to hear more stories about Catalina in the old days, 40s, 50s, 60s .... maybe you could start a thread, or use this one if that's ok

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D_B,

Thank you for your complement. I appreciate that you enjoyed this glimpse into the life Abalone Joe, of one of the true characters of Catalina. It is evident he has been all but forgotten but by a few, and they are rapidly dwindling in numbers as they advance in age

I have no intent of establishing a thread about the genesis of recreational diving or history of diving in Southern California. It would be simply too time consuming and would interfere with my current interests.

You certainly have my blessing and support in establishing a thread on the many contributions of Southern California to development recreational diving.

sdm
 
Thank you, but I was not so interested in the history of diving ... I'm interested in more stories of the characters of Catalina .. the more people know of them, the less that will be forgotten
 
There are many; George Farnsworth; who discovered the banks that bear his name, his father who designed all the roads on Catalina, Zane Grey the western author. etc.

More recently the late Jon Hardy, lived on the island for many years and was the predecessor to Dr. Bill as the official greeter. Jon was a pioneer LA CO, NAUI & PADI instructor, charter boat operator, author etc and was responsible for developing the SCUBA lab, which is still featured in a dive publication.

Prior to Jon was Karl Kohler, the one armed Skin Diver magazine cartoonist who developed a number of characters; Flipper Mc Flash is one that comes to mind. Kark was famous for having been taught diving by the pioneer "goggler' Guy Gilpatric who introduced Cousteau to diving...

So there are many...

Perhaps DR Bill or Casa can add a few more..

sdm
 

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