Question A sudden feeling of dread and fear during a simple CCR dive

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After 25 years working in emergency departnents and intensive care units, I've noticed something.

When someone says they have a sense of impending doom, they're always correct. Listen to your senses and intuition.
 
You either overbreathed your scrubber or were not breathing properly. You need to take deep breaths, when you breath shallow on a CCR, you get to enjoy a bit of CO2.

I had it happen twice, both times when working hard on the loop and not breathing properly.

One was on ascent when I haven’t realised I was negative, so I was finning up and at the same time mostly breathing out and dumping the loop. CO2 caught up with me after about 3 minutes (ascent from 50m to about 25m), same symptoms as you describe.

Second one was on descent into current, finning hard and pulling down on the shot line while mostly adding dil without breathing out. Incredibly unpleasant despite 14/55 mix once I got to dark 1-2 meter visibility at 45ish meters, I was maybe a second away from bailing out and aborting the dive. Dil flush doesn’t help all that much because it’s more about breathing rather than what’s in the loop.
 
Hi everyone,

I don't know if this is the right section, but since no incident occurred, I don't believe this categorizes as a "near miss" (well, at least I hope so 🤞)
I'm posting this more as a question to understand if something like this occurred to anyone else, and if it was indeed just a psychological/narcosis effect, or something more serious (pre-hypercapnia or bad gas).

A little context about me and the previous dives​

A bit of context about me: I'm a lake diver, I dive quite often (2/3 times a week), and I recently started CCR diving. I've just shy of ~50 hours with my rebreather, so I probably qualify as a super-beginner and still have a lot to perfect compared to when I dive OC (and proper weighting is one of the things where I still struggle with, and this usually leads to being over-weighted).

The dive itself was a really simple and pretty "standard" one for me, in a spot that I know like the back of my hand and where I've dived several times, both on OC and CC; it was in the afternoon (so no morning stress or whatever), and with two buddies I trust and I often dive with.
It was a recreational dive; the other buddies were on OC, and we all used air.
I used the rebreather so that I could practice trim and buoyancy, as I had been using a new configuration on my last two dives (a steel 12-liter bailout tank and a lighter undersuit).
It was the third dive on the same scrubber: the first one lasted ~54 minutes with air, the second one ~43 minutes with 20/30; both with an avg depth of 20 meters (66 fsw).
All dives (including this one) were over the same week, and the scrubber was always carefully sealed between each dive; by the way, the three-dives / three-hour rule on a single scrubber is what I normally follow and never had any issues so far.
Setpoint was 1.2 on the bottom, and CNS before the dive was (obviously) 0% with a surface interval of about 42 hours.

The dive​

It all started without problems and was pretty straightforward: simple shore entry, then we went down to our target depth (40m - 133 fsw), stayed there just for a couple of minutes, then ascended to ~30m (100 fsw) and continued our dive.
They were slowly riding their NDL being on OC, I was staying more or less at the same depth; I was the last one in the group, the visibility was ok below 25m (82 fsw), and the thermocline was around 16m (52 fsw), above water temp was around 20-22 °C (68-72 °F), below was 9 °C (48 °F).
After 25 minutes or so, the first buddy who was leading the dive signaled to turn back and slowly ascend, and that's where we got separated, due to poor visibility and me being a bit deeper than them, and I didn't think they would turn back so fast.
But, anyway, no big deal, I searched them for a minute, then continued alone to reach the entry point and the anchor we left at 5m (16 fsw) at the beginning of the dive.
I knew that they wouldn't panic or anything, and in our pre-dive briefing, we decided that we would be autonomous in case we got separated and we would reunite either at 5m (16 fsw) or the surface.

Since I was on CC, I decided to stay at the same depth (it was around 25m - 82fsw) to have better visibility.
In hindsight, I probably swam a bit too fast and felt very heavy. In fact, after just 15 minutes, I had already reached the entry point (there is a fixed rope that goes from ~3m (10 fsw) down to 50m (165 fsw), to ease navigation).

"Something bad is going to happen"​

And this was when something strange happened: after a quick dip to 35 meters (to see another little part of the rocky wall before ascending and ending the dive), I suddenly felt a sense of dread and fear, as if something bad was going to happen and that I needed to get out of the water quickly.
I don't know if this accounts for the term "a sense of impending doom", but it was unpleasant for sure.
In addition, I felt my heart rate increasing rapidly, and I could sense my heart pounding through the drysuit.

But again, no panic and no "grasping for air" or whatever. I then decided to ascend, and once I reached 16m (52 fsw) all symptoms subsided; so I decided to continue diving following another wall around 18m (60 fsw) for 4-5 minutes, so maybe I would find my buddies and end the dive together (since that wall is the "return" route we usually take).
I didn't find them, but I felt, again, the same sense of dread, this time when I was just 20m (65 fsw) deep; so I decided to go straight up following the floor instead of going back to the rope, then continued to the anchor at 5m (16 fsw), and holding my safety stop.
This time, the sense of dread didn't subside (even though it was "lighter" than the first time at 35m/114 fsw), and I also bailed out to see if something changes (but after a minute or so nothing changed so I decided to go back on the loop).
(and, thinking back about the fact that I was able to hold the 5m/16 fsw stop with a normal volume in the counterlungs, while breathing from the bailout regulator, makes me think that maybe I was surely over-weighted...)

Finally, I exited the water by slowly ascending from 5m (16 fsw) to the surface, and found my buddies waiting for me there (they finished the dive just 5 minutes before me), and almost immediately, all symptoms disappeared.
And no after-dive effects as well: no headaches (as I think I would have had if I had increased CO2 retention), no restlessness or flu-like symptoms like a subclinical DCS, and no "long-lasting" fear.

I have no idea what happened and why; underwater, I thought of everything, including:
  • Bad scrubber or channelling
  • Increased ppO2 and possible CNS toxicity (but the ppO2 stayed at 1.2 with few spikes to 1.3 when descending)
  • Bad loop due to something in the tank (maybe carbon monoxide or any other contaminant)
  • Bad loop due to me burping twice during the dive, and so I was rebreathing some hydrogen or methane in the mix :p
  • And honestly, I didn't think about narcosis, when on OC I dove down to 55m (180 fsw) quite often and with no issues; yet I know that increased WOB on the CCR at depth is dangerous, that's why I limit the use of air to a maximum of 35-40m (132 fsw) and use light trimix for everything deeper (or with longer bottom times).

Conclusions​

First of all, sorry for my wall-of-text (you could have guessed it would be a long write-up by looking at my other posts on SB :whistling:).
Secondly, have you ever experienced something similar? And do you think this was a real near miss, and I risked by staying underwater so long after the first symptoms?

Maybe it was "just" a bad episode of dark narc, probably triggered by swimming faster than usual, being over-weighted, a bit tired, and a little cold after ~40 minutes in 9 °C (48 °F) water for about ~45 minutes with a lighter-than-usual undersuit.
Or maybe it was something else, but I still have no idea what :confused:
Hi i am not a CCR diver just OC. Still that feeling i know it it happens sometimes and actually it did during a dive 2 weeks ago.

Don't ask me why and this purely my opinion. I don't think it s ever related to the dive itself but from other factors. Stress anxiety from work family etc...

To go dive you need to have a clear mind if there is a little thing that is bothering you or that you didn't sort out before the day of the dive chance is the little squirrel will run in your head 🙃.

So in these conditions when you go in your try to focus but that not gonna work your mind will just escalate a small minor problem that it s even related to your dive.

When this happens two choices. take a pause underwater relax take deep breath make it shallower and easy and continue. Or stop go home and start again another time !

Sometime i bring two-tree tank for my diving and if i am not even in the water sometimes i just don't do the second or third dive if i don't feel it whatever is the reason. ( i only solo dive hence my conservatism).

Be safe
 
About narcosis -> The most narcotic gas is CO2. So if you start building up CO2 with the rebreather, you will automatically be way more under narcosis effect than if you were breathing air OC.

To me it also looks like CO2 was building up, with all the consequences... out of curiosity, did you have any physical sensation before building this huge anxiety? Like light legs, or something else?
Almost all stated by @davehicks I sensed during my last CCR dive, at the end of dive, going shallow from 22 to 17 mfw at 8 deg.C.
Total accounted scrubber life (after last fill) of my unit was 2,5 hours,
i'm slightly overrun it due to scrubber life based on lime capacity was
only 144 minutes (2 hours 24 minutes). I should be surfacing earlier, but...
So, @Cragene me also presume CO2 inspired narcosis.
 

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