I'm waiting too. I'd like to see it with brand new OW's as well.
A fun dive and silty training
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I wanna see open water diver noobs during their confined water sessions performing these feats. I'd especially like to see divers of any level doing the scuba unit R&R in an 8' pool without striking the bottom or floating to the top. Just picture now a 6' tall man with 1' of clearance above his head and 1' of clearance below his feet.
Yes I am doubtful, more than doubtful ... you ask the impossible of your noobs. And there is no benefit that they gain, they will only be frustrated. There is a time and place to stress neutral buoyancy, and practice, and practice, and practice.
Yes I am doubtful, more than doubtful ... you ask the impossible of your noobs. And there is no benefit that they gain, they will only be frustrated. There is a time and place to stress neutral buoyancy, and practice, and practice, and practice.
OP
We've had this discussion before. They they aren't required to do bc R&R off the bottom as that is a violation of standards. But I can do it with easy. Not only will I not hit the bottom or the surface but my depth won't change more than a few inches if I'm using a single tank. Bet me! Plenty of clearance because you stay horizantal and the pool is 75 feet long. Nobody is that tall.
If your students can't breath a free flow and control their position in the water you are dangerous. This is easy and nobody should go to OW EVER without the ability to do it.
However, I don't have UW video and I'm not buying it for you. All of you though have an open invitation to sit in on any class I teach.
OP
You are close to us. We do lots of our OW classes at Gilboa. Join us.
diveski01
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I've seen video of OW pool sessions where this was accomplished by a PADI instructor (who happens to be highly knowledgable in DIR techniques). I personally witnessed another of his OW students perform all the skills mid-water during his second pool session. He was taught all skills while neutrally bouyant and horizontally trim so he never knew to do anything on his knees. Law of Primacy (what you learn first).
We heard that during his check-out dives in Belize the Instructor thought he was joking about not being an already certified and experienced diver. The Instructor almost didn't make him go through the requirements as his skills were excellent.
Every one of the newbie students taught in this manner has had extremely positive reports from their very first dive trips.
It's all about how the instructor teaches from the beginning.
If Mike F. is teaching in this manner then he is doing great things for diving and his new divers have a definite advantage over others. If this is true, I'm betting that his students aren't going around mucking up the quarries due to poor finning and poor bouyancy control.
We heard that during his check-out dives in Belize the Instructor thought he was joking about not being an already certified and experienced diver. The Instructor almost didn't make him go through the requirements as his skills were excellent.
Every one of the newbie students taught in this manner has had extremely positive reports from their very first dive trips.
It's all about how the instructor teaches from the beginning.
If Mike F. is teaching in this manner then he is doing great things for diving and his new divers have a definite advantage over others. If this is true, I'm betting that his students aren't going around mucking up the quarries due to poor finning and poor bouyancy control.
OP
It's not impossible because they do it and without frustration. LOL
Well, it might be impossible for you. There is a very definate benefit. They don't rocket to the surface from 80 ft like poor Rachel (see her post about her hair raising AOW deep dive) if they experience a free flow in Gilboa. I would call that a benefit wouldn't you?
I suspect that the guy who died at Gilboa last week may have benifited also from a little better buoyancy control. It may have prevented the panick attack he reportedly had trying to get up from 120. Mybe he wouldn't have ended up at 120 for that matter. What do you think?
welll, weather, time, and wife permitting, I might have to do that sometime...I would love to take a glimpse at one of your classes, and maybe even do a dive or two with you or your wife.
OP
If things aren't in good shape in the pool we don't go to OW. I used to teach the way I was tought to teach and the first OW dive was a nightmare. One student dropping to the bottom and another shooting up anytime you stopped.
Still, when we get to the quarry things are a little different with a full wet suit. We stay at the platform untill we get weighting and trim squared away with the additional weight and rubber. Once that's done and only adter that's done do we go tour the quarry. My classes to not silt out the quarry. Oh, you may see an unrefined modified frog but no silt trail behind my class.
My class is the one hovering with still hands and feet at their safety stop.
OP
Anytime
OP
DiverBuoy
Have you tried to get your students off the bottom? Try it and then tell me it isn't possible. I will help any way I can. I will give you every secet I have free of charge if you try it.
Please teach diving instead of breathing under water. Prove it to yourself. Put the PADI text (not standards) down for a class and see what happens. get your mind and your students off the bottom. If you don't create that dependancy there won't be any. Of course you may have to ask yourself who really needs the bottom you or your students.
Have you tried to get your students off the bottom? Try it and then tell me it isn't possible. I will help any way I can. I will give you every secet I have free of charge if you try it.
Please teach diving instead of breathing under water. Prove it to yourself. Put the PADI text (not standards) down for a class and see what happens. get your mind and your students off the bottom. If you don't create that dependancy there won't be any. Of course you may have to ask yourself who really needs the bottom you or your students.
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