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to spend a lot of money is a bet: what if six months after they decide to quit?

They can sell it. What they would lose in selling it secondhand is a lot less than what it would cost to rent the computer few times. In fact, renting the dive computer few times, will cost almost the same as what it would cost to buy an entry level dive computer.

Now for the bit about not diving anymore, in my experience over 3 decades of active teaching at all levels, the reasons for people quiting diving have largely to do with inadequate training and their competency in the water leading people to fear diving and not owning equipment making it expensive and highly inconvenient to go diving and hence they eventually stop diving. One other reason for people to stop diving is the unavailability of local diving make it more expensive and inconvenient to have to travel to great distances to dive. The OP here LIVES in the Bonaire of Europe that is a hot bed for excellent diving satisfying all type of interests in diving with a population that is especially fond of the sea throughout their history for the past few thousand years.



If they rent, they can try some different equipment and understand better what they need/like (although this applies more to other stuff, since differences between diving computers are not huge).

This is one of the biggest myths one hears in diving. You are assuming that the diver actually has a wide range of dive computer to rent of any type or model or brand of dive computer, regulator or BC for them to try them all to make an informed decision. In reality, dive centers frequently have the lowest priced dive computers and dive equipment available to rent and they often have only one model of each that is the lowest model in the manufacturer's product line. They also often don't have the latest version of dive computers or other dive equipment and usually only have ones that are few years old that don't represent the current models. If one finds an exception, a dive center with more current dive equipment to rent, this dive center will most likely have only one brand and one model hence the diver won't have the chance to try "different" models. It is a myth that doesn't related to reality of the market but sounds "significant."


Lastly, I have the perception that new divers tend to rely too much on their own equipment, and this is especially true for the computer.

We are scuba divers not free divers, we depend on equipment to facilitate for us to dive and to enhance our dive experience in safer conditions. I rely on my dive computer just like I rely on my regulator or my fins. I know what to do if and when my fins or regulator don't work as they should but It is most difficult and unenjoyable to dive without them, a dive computer is no exception.


Getting used to different stuff, and to different computers, is a big plus IMHO.

No benefit at all. Unless you have lots of money and you can afford to buy everything under the sun, you won't be able to rent many different dive computers. If you were able to rent that many different dive computers, you would have spent enough money renting to buy a decent dive computer and probably a back up computer too.


I think the best for OW divers is to use computers just as bottom-timer/depth-gauge at the beginning, to start developing a bit of awareness about diving time, NDL, etc

I don't see the relationship at all. The divers needs to know and understand the principles of decompression theory and the concepts behind it but not necessarily "dive tables." At least two of well known international dive agencies have eliminated teaching dive tables and teach the basics of decompression theory and emphasize the use of dive computers for their students. Most concepts of dive tables used in diving are also used with dive computers and they aren't limited to dive tables. Using tables puts a heavy penalty in dive times without any apparent benefit at all. Manual dive tables may make the individual diver more susceptible to make errors in figuring out dive tables on a rock and rolling boat while struggling with motion sickness and other distractions. Compare this scenario with a diver who understands the basics of decompression theory and knows how to use their own dive computer and doesn't have to try to figure out the letter groups or RNT or MDT or SIT or TNT while puking doing that, there is simply no comparison in safety, convenience, and available dive time at all (more dive time with dive computers in their dive vacation vs. using dive tables)!!

As an instructor, I don't know of anyone who continued to be a diver and didn't commit to diving and bought their own equipment. Those that didn't, they just fade away never to dive again. The ones that bought all or most of their dive equipment have a much higher probability of continuing to dive (until marriage or kids get in the way :) )
 
Not really that difficult, Scubapro makes one that is widely available here in Europe at least.
SP is the only manufacturer that still makes digital dive timer for now. This makes it difficult to find them easily since there is only one mfg. that makes them in the world (until they decide it isn't worth making them anymore).



Great for a backup and the battery life is incredible

For few more dollars or Euros, you can have a basic dive computer as back up that does a lot more and will keep you diving without interruption should your main dive computer fails. Your "back up" digital bottom timer won't enable you to continue to dive should your main dive computer fail without interruption for you will have to stay out of the water for 24 hours at least before you can go back to using a digital bottom timer and dive tables. If you had to miss a day of diving, the cost of missed dives on a vacation will be a lot more than the small price difference between a basic dive computer and the digital bottom timer. I'd skip a couple of meals eating out and save money to buy a dive computer instead of a digital bottom timer.
 
@Antonios , please keep in mind that all of what I am ging to discuss is almost irrelevant. As I said before, I do not think there is a difference between life and death, and your dive career will be basically unaffected if you buy a computer now or the next year. Let's take it easy :wink:

They can sell it. What they would lose in selling it secondhand is a lot less than what it would cost to rent the computer few times. In fact, renting the dive computer few times, will cost almost the same as what it would cost to buy an entry level dive computer.

Fair points. I am lazy and I do not like to spend time for selling my equipment. This is obviously a problem of me.

Now for the bit about not diving anymore, in my experience over 3 decades of active teaching at all levels, the reasons for people quiting diving have largely to do with inadequate training and their competency in the water leading people to fear diving and not owning equipment making it expensive and highly inconvenient to go diving and hence they eventually stop diving. One other reason for people to stop diving is the unavailability of local diving make it more expensive and inconvenient to have to travel to great distances to dive. The OP here LIVES in the Bonaire of Europe that is a hot bed for excellent diving satisfying all type of interests in diving with a population that is especially fond of the sea throughout their history for the past few thousand years.

Interesting, I had no idea of this.

This is one of the biggest myths one hears in diving. You are assuming that the diver actually has a wide range of dive computer to rent of any type or model or brand of dive computer, regulator or BC for them to try them all to make an informed decision. In reality, dive centers frequently have the lowest priced dive computers and dive equipment available to rent and they often have only one model of each that is the lowest model in the manufacturer's product line. They also often don't have the latest version of dive computers or other dive equipment and usually only have ones that are few years old that don't represent the current models. If one finds an exception, a dive center with more current dive equipment to rent, this dive center will most likely have only one brand and one model hence the diver won't have the chance to try "different" models. It is a myth that doesn't related to reality of the market but sounds "significant."

No, I am not. He can try equipment of friends, and there are other way to try different pieces of equipment. Also, in my experience, the dive centre may have few, but still more than one computer; it's a plus from my perspective. And again, it's a very little plus, nothing serious.

We are scuba divers not free divers, we depend on equipment to facilitate for us to dive and to enhance our dive experience in safer conditions. I rely on my dive computer just like I rely on my regulator or my fins. I know what to do if and when my fins or regulator don't work as they should but It is most difficult and unenjoyable to dive without them, a dive computer is no exception.

Problems happen when:
1 - equipment substitute our brain
2 - we cannot manage equipment different from ours
I have one example related to the second issue here on SB. If you are interested, send me a PM.

No benefit at all. Unless you have lots of money and you can afford to buy everything under the sun, you won't be able to rent many different dive computers. If you were able to rent that many different dive computers, you would have spent enough money renting to buy a decent dive computer and probably a back up computer too.

You rent one computer at each time, just a different one - so the cost is not that big at all; at the beginning I was diving always with the same diving centre, and they just didn't make me pay for the computer. The more you dive with a centre, the better deal you can get.

I don't see the relationship at all. The divers needs to know and understand the principles of decompression theory and the concepts behind it but not necessarily "dive tables." At least two of well known international dive agencies have eliminated teaching dive tables and teach the basics of decompression theory and emphasize the use of dive computers for their students. Most concepts of dive tables used in diving are also used with dive computers and they aren't limited to dive tables. Using tables puts a heavy penalty in dive times without any apparent benefit at all. Manual dive tables may make the individual diver more susceptible to make errors in figuring out dive tables on a rock and rolling boat while struggling with motion sickness and other distractions. Compare this scenario with a diver who understands the basics of decompression theory and knows how to use their own dive computer and doesn't have to try to figure out the letter groups or RNT or MDT or SIT or TNT while puking doing that, there is simply no comparison in safety, convenience, and available dive time at all (more dive time with dive computers in their dive vacation vs. using dive tables)!!

I was not clear, my fault. I was not suggesting the use of dive tables, I was suggesting to avoid relying on the computer algorithm. Tables are only one way to do so. Frankly speaking, I do not see all the problems you are mentioning at all. I see the fact that some agencies emphasize the use of computers as a problem, not as a good reason to use the computer.

About safety, an OW diver is not going to plan anything alone at the beginning, but he is going to follow the divemaster/instructor/whoever. Safety is not an issue here.

As an instructor, I don't know of anyone who continued to be a diver and didn't commit to diving and bought their own equipment. Those that didn't, they just fade away never to dive again. The ones that bought all or most of their dive equipment have a much higher probability of continuing to dive (until marriage or kids get in the way :) )

Agree, but not necessarily they committed in the first 10 dives. And those who left the activity, maybe they were just not really attracted, which can be the case of the OP: he just does not know yet.
 
For few more dollars or Euros, you can have a basic dive computer as back up that does a lot more and will keep you diving without interruption should your main dive computer fails. Your "back up" digital bottom timer won't enable you to continue to dive should your main dive computer fail without interruption for you will have to stay out of the water for 24 hours at least before you can go back to using a digital bottom timer and dive tables. If you had to miss a day of diving, the cost of missed dives on a vacation will be a lot more than the small price difference between a basic dive computer and the digital bottom timer. I'd skip a couple of meals eating out and save money to buy a dive computer instead of a digital bottom timer.

I wouldn't do tech dives on a cheap entry level dive computer unless it was in gauge mode, at which point it is just a bottom timer anyways.
So for me, a bottom timer makes a lot of sense.
 
@Antonios
About safety, an OW diver is not going to plan anything alone at the beginning, but he is going to follow the divemaster/instructor/whoever.

Where are you diving that new divers aren’t planning anything on their own? Is it French law that new divers must be led around by the nose by a DM/instructor?
 
Where are you diving that new divers aren’t planning anything on their own? Is it French law that new divers must be led around by the nose by a DM/instructor?

Actually in France new divers need a DM/instructor around if their license is with the national federation (like most people do): Plongeur niveau 1 — Wikipédia

But let's not consider French federation, let's stick to other more common agencies (PADI or others).

I have not written that OW divers do not plan anything. They do, and they do understand what they do obviously! I wrote they do not do it alone. However, I admit I wrote fast and generalized a bit (my apologies :D), so let me try to explain better.

In my experience, divers fresh of OW usually dive with a dive centre or with more experienced divers; not necessarily DM/instructors, but they will unlikely go only with people of their same experience. Therefore, when they will plan and conduct a dive (yes, they do it!), they are surrounded by more experienced people who can help them and correct their mistakes.

I know this only my experience, and it can be false in some (or even many) parts of the world. The reason why I felt confident in making this generalization is that the OP clearly said he wants to dive with his instructor:

Thanks - I do hope that someday I will dive more frequently! My instructor says the same. For now, as a new diver, I do not feel confident to dive just with a buddy, even if I had one. I feel secure only when diving with an instructor or DM. Also, I do not own any gear. So for now, diving with a dive center and renting the gear is the only one (and costly) option for me. But I hope that in the future everything will get better!

EDIT: I do not have any French license, and when I started diving in Italy I was almost always with a diving centre even if not strictly required
 
My 2 cents.
Being in Greece, I would start by finding a way to build confidence so I could get in the water no less than couple times a month. Fine if it is to dive in just 4-5 meters or even shallower . If you can get good bouyancy in 4m that would serve you better that any DM "taking" you to 20m
Learn your way in the water, maybe find a more experienced dive buddy. Find a way to not be attached to a dive center.

Also start getting your own gear. Yeah it is expensive but there's a situation that happens at the begining of a new activity. You don't know if it will be YOUR thing or if you'll stop diving, but crappy gear that fits wrong will make you quit just as fast.
So you don't need the best in the market, but get your stuff and learn to use it. You'll buy some things that you'll not love after learning more, there are no guarantees. But your time is better used learning about diving than following the market trying to get the absolute best piece of gear.
Get what you can afford after a reasonable research and use it. Basic computers are about the same, you had good suggestions here.
If you enjoy diving, few years from now your problem will be where to store all your dive gear.
Aren't you by the coast of the Ionian Sea? There's people in the middle of landlocked areas that find flooded holes in the ground to go diving. If you like it, you probably will be able to find a way to get in the water a bit more than 8 times a year.
 
@Antonios , please keep in mind that all of what I am ging to discuss is almost irrelevant. As I said before, I do not think there is a difference between life and death, and your dive career will be basically unaffected if you buy a computer now or the next year. Let's take it easy :wink:



Ginti, nothing is irrelevant for me. First of all, let me thank you all of you fellows for your time and the effort to help me. Second, for a new diver like me, everything (a fresh opinion, or a bit of information unknown to me) is valuable and helps me acquire a better understanding of our common hobby.
 
My 2 cents.
Being in Greece, I would start by finding a way to build confidence so I could get in the water no less than couple times a month. Fine if it is to dive in just 4-5 meters or even shallower . If you can get good bouyancy in 4m that would serve you better that any DM "taking" you to 20m
Learn your way in the water, maybe find a more experienced dive buddy. Find a way to not be attached to a dive center.

Also start getting your own gear. Yeah it is expensive but there's a situation that happens at the begining of a new activity. You don't know if it will be YOUR thing or if you'll stop diving, but crappy gear that fits wrong will make you quit just as fast.
So you don't need the best in the market, but get your stuff and learn to use it. You'll buy some things that you'll not love after learning more, there are no guarantees. But your time is better used learning about diving than following the market trying to get the absolute best piece of gear.
Get what you can afford after a reasonable research and use it. Basic computers are about the same, you had good suggestions here.
If you enjoy diving, few years from now your problem will be where to store all your dive gear.
Aren't you by the coast of the Ionian Sea? There's people in the middle of landlocked areas that find flooded holes in the ground to go diving. If you like it, you probably will be able to find a way to get in the water a bit more than 8 times a year.

Thanks! Indeed, I live by the sea. And I hope fervently that someday, I will be able to dive 8 times a weekend..:)
 
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