2 Finnish divers dead, 3 injured in Plurdalen / Norway

[gobfish1]

gianaameri

dont know if the 2nd sump can be swam or needs walking , but give that a miss , and just look at the main dive full run is 2036m i think has been said , 700m of that is the 2nd sump and swim out , so were left with , say 1400m 400 off that is max depth ,

no habitat , id not want to do 100mins o2 in water , so maybe they had a **** load of cylinders with a ppo2 of less than 1.6 .
habitat or not they would be back at bottle dump in a round 180, mins and thats with a slowish speed on the dpv and giving them a v slow push at the low fisher ,

like i said others have done same dive i 4hr ,

ps
i see your buddy brad is doing the same work on some other www sites , lol grate minds and all that , just need adw , and two scrubbers to turn up now ,,

 

[Max Speed]

The dive plan worked. Two divers had fatal accidents. The remaining divers had the resources to deal with the issue and get out alive. Sometimes accidents....happen.

 

[gobfish1]

ment to add

(major restriction requiring kit removal at 110 meters ) this is not true , kit was removed by the diver from team 2, as the main run was blocked by the 2nd diver that passed away from team one ,

well thats how i read it ,

 

[gianaameri]

ment to add

(major restriction requiring kit removal at 110 meters ) this is not true , kit was removed by the diver from team 2, as the main run was blocked by the 2nd diver that passed away from team one ,

well thats how i read it ,

True, which makes me wonder again why that diver (and the whole of Team 2) did not just turn immediately and without hesitation the dive finding a dead body blocking the restriction.

 

[Storker]

Since you are from Norway and there may be some laws for which the authorities must release documents, any chance you can ask for a copy of the safety plan for the recovery of Ståle Tveitane body in 2006?

I guess it's theoretically possible, since it may be a publicly available document. However, it would require me to locate the relevant person to contact and then persuade that person that I had a legitimate reason (i.e. more than personal curiosity) to demand that document. I don't think I'm interested enough in the details of the operation to put that much work into my research. I'm content with just following the news here and forwarding them to the board here. You might try to contact the fire and rescue brigade in Oslo yourself, as they were responsible for the operation and probably have the pertinent documents in their archive.

I can give you a first-hand report of the recovery operation, published in the trade magazine "Brannmannen" ("The fireman") in 2006, though (I don't know if that article has been referenced here before, so forgive me if I'm peddling old news): Google Translate

 

[gianaameri]

I guess it's theoretically possible, since it may be a publicly available document. However, it would require me to locate the relevant person to contact and then persuade that person that I had a legitimate reason (i.e. more than personal curiosity) to demand that document. I don't think I'm interested enough in the details of the operation to put that much work into my research. I'm content with just following the news here and forwarding them to the board here. You might try to contact the fire and rescue brigade in Oslo yourself, as they were responsible for the operation and probably have the pertinent documents in their archive.

I can give you a first-hand report of the recovery operation, published in the trade magazine "Brannmannen" ("The fireman") in 2006, though (I don't know if that article has been referenced here before, so forgive me if I'm peddling old news): Google Translate

I'll try UK CDG first (more than just curiosity, to learn about the safety aspects of conducting a dive like this one).

Good info.!

---------- Post added February 13th, 2014 at 10:13 AM ----------

gianaameri

dont know if the 2nd sump can be swam or needs walking , but give that a miss , and just look at the main dive full run is 2036m i think has been said , 700m of that is the 2nd sump and swim out , so were left with , say 1400m 400 off that is max depth ,

no habitat , id not want to do 100mins o2 in water , so maybe they had a **** load of cylinders with a ppo2 of less than 1.6 .
habitat or not they would be back at bottle dump in a round 180, mins and thats with a slowish speed on the dpv and giving them a v slow push at the low fisher ,

like i said others have done same dive i 4hr ,

ps
i see your buddy brad is doing the same work on some other www sites , lol grate minds and all that , just need adw , and two scrubbers to turn up now ,,

Can't find on the net "others" who have done the same dive (the full traverse) in 4 hours.

Do you have an exact link?

What I found is one diver who did a shorter dive (dead on ISC Meg, no idea if used v. 2.02 or 2.75 or Shearwater electronics..., and if used Axial or Radial scrubbers and size...), and 2 divers using Inspiration and Classic (shorter dive again, problems reported).

 

[R2D2]

Can't find on the net "others" who have done the same dive (the full traverse) in 4 hours.

Do you have an exact link?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6f50t92q7ujubhz/Diving Project Plurdalen 2013.pdf

It was already earlier in this thread. And the traverse was in opposite direction, from Steinugleflåget to Plura side.

Based on the persons involved at least jj-ccr was in use, but maybe some other makes too Sami Paakkarinen - IN ACTION - JJ-CCR

 

[gianaameri]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6f50t92q7ujubhz/Diving Project Plurdalen 2013.pdf

It was already earlier in this thread. And the traverse was in opposite direction, from Steinugleflåget to Plura side.

Based on the persons involved at least jj-ccr was in use, but maybe some other makes too Sami Paakkarinen - IN ACTION - JJ-CCR

Better equipment, better planning, better support team, habitat and shorter deco requirements (or just shorter deco???) - yep makes sense and better outcome.

 

[gobfish1]

Better equipment, better planning, better support team, habitat and shorter deco requirements - yep makes sense and better outcome.

we see Siege Tactics. all the time , then when the nuts been cracked , a one man band will take a crack ,

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---------- Post added February 13th, 2014 at 10:28 AM ----------

True, which makes me wonder again why that diver (and the whole of Team 2) did not just turn immediately and without hesitation the dive finding a dead body blocking the restriction.

well maybe he/no3 was thinking im 3/4 the way home , if i turn iv got to hit the 130 mark once again , fook me thats going to be a lot more deco,

no 5 went back , he ended up with a good bit more deco to do , than the two that went end to end ,

nn5 had to stick it out with no4 , by the time he was solo , he prob just went for the simple up and try sort the deco later , ie rather be bent than dead , ,may even had the good thinking and retreved the bail out from his dead buddy

we just dont know , but fact is no5 hit the 130m mark twice on that dive , so scrubber did its job , dont you think ,

 

[gianaameri]

we maybe he/no3 was thinking im 3/4 the way home , if i turn iv got to hit the 130 mark once again , fook me thats going to be a lot more deco,

no 5 went back , he ended up with a good bit more deco to do , that the two that went end to end ,

nn5 had to stick it out with no4 , by the time he was solo , he prob just went for the simple up and try sort the deco later , ie rather be bent than dead , we dont know ,

Seems like the "Team" system/concept broke down and did not work as planned/intended (not to be unexpected in a cave).

But let us clear up the "Habitat" part.

I understand that this dive the Team(s) wanted to do the traverse from one end to the other and then do it again, but starting the other end (after leaving the equipment in the cold cave overnight...).

So, either they set-up two Habitats (one at each end of the traverse which would have been a daunting task for 5 people... or there is permanent Habitats there???), or they planned to do TWO 5 hr, 4C, 129 meters dives on consecutive days no habitat on rebreather?