I've split the Buddy Line discussion off into its own thread in the Equipment/Accessories Forum (for those interested in that discussion).
Rick
Rick
(05 JUN 05) Missing diver at Whytecliff
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Thank you Uncle Ricky.
To all the divers out there - my sincere condolences. (It seems too close for me because the West Coast is my favorite place to dive and there's a few bad incidents recently that have me upset.) I have so much to say but it's all over the place because of emotion. I hope everyone can continue soon.
To all the divers out there - my sincere condolences. (It seems too close for me because the West Coast is my favorite place to dive and there's a few bad incidents recently that have me upset.) I have so much to say but it's all over the place because of emotion. I hope everyone can continue soon.
Henry
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Spoke to a dive buddy who is trimix / cave certified, who also works as a divemaster for Ocean Quest (that's the LDS the victim dove out of). The two divers were both rescue divers with about 80 dives in two years of diving. The surviving diver was on a single tank and the plan was to go to 130', but the separation happened much shallower at 80-90 feet.
As far as the 20 min of deco that has posted here, I am not sure where that came from because the surviving diver apparently searched for one min and surfaced. The call to RCMP came at approximately one hour after the divers had entered the water. If you count say half hour in to dive time, search 1 min for missing diver, surface and look for bubbles for another few min, 5 min to swim and get out of the water and then 10 min walk up the steep hill to get to your car and take your gear off to call the RCMP. I don't think the timing was that far off. Like I said, I am not sure where the 20 min came from.
Lastly, this is probably the most important point. The missing diver was diving a set of twins. He had borrwoed the twins, BP/W and regs. This dive was his 3rd dive on the twins. I don't know about this guy but I dive a set of twins and my 3rd dive on them was pretty pathetic. I was all over the place and I purposely chose to dive in shallow sandy bottomed water so I can't screw up and sink.
Well, there you have it. I was not involved in the accident. I was not there. I do not know the victim nor the survivor. I did not speak to the survivor. This information came from a friend that works at the shop they dove out of.
Henry
As far as the 20 min of deco that has posted here, I am not sure where that came from because the surviving diver apparently searched for one min and surfaced. The call to RCMP came at approximately one hour after the divers had entered the water. If you count say half hour in to dive time, search 1 min for missing diver, surface and look for bubbles for another few min, 5 min to swim and get out of the water and then 10 min walk up the steep hill to get to your car and take your gear off to call the RCMP. I don't think the timing was that far off. Like I said, I am not sure where the 20 min came from.
Lastly, this is probably the most important point. The missing diver was diving a set of twins. He had borrwoed the twins, BP/W and regs. This dive was his 3rd dive on the twins. I don't know about this guy but I dive a set of twins and my 3rd dive on them was pretty pathetic. I was all over the place and I purposely chose to dive in shallow sandy bottomed water so I can't screw up and sink.
Well, there you have it. I was not involved in the accident. I was not there. I do not know the victim nor the survivor. I did not speak to the survivor. This information came from a friend that works at the shop they dove out of.
Henry
Laughing Swordfish
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Lastly, this is probably the most important point. The missing diver was diving a set of twins. He had borrwoed the twins, BP/W and regs. This dive was his 3rd dive on the twins. I don't know about this guy but I dive a set of twins and my 3rd dive on them was pretty pathetic. I was all over the place and I purposely chose to dive in shallow sandy bottomed water so I can't screw up and sink.
Thanks for the report. I had assumed they were both on singles. Like you, my first few dives with twins were miserable. To save myself open water embarassment I did them in a pool. I'm hoping we will hear if he had a drysuit or wetsuit, which could explain an awful lot.
Thanks for the report. I had assumed they were both on singles. Like you, my first few dives with twins were miserable. To save myself open water embarassment I did them in a pool. I'm hoping we will hear if he had a drysuit or wetsuit, which could explain an awful lot.
deepdiverbc
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Laughing Swordfish:
Could you explain what you mean by the above quote?
I would prefer a drysuit. If you got your total weight wrong and were too heavy or had a failure in the wings inflation valve or lp hose the drysuit would be nice for extra lift and an extra hose if needed.
The only problem I can see a drysuit causing would be if you put too much air in it and have an out of trim rig. You could easily end up in a feet first ascent.
AtomicWalrus
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deepdiverbc:
Maybe they're implying a wetsuit is worse. A wetsuit experiences an increasing loss in buoyancy with increasing depth as the neoprene compresses, which would only compound a runaway descent.
Laughing Swordfish
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AtomicWalrus:
Yes, that is exactly what I was getting at. A rule of thumb for diving steel twins in the open ocean is that you should have redundant buoyancy, preferably a drysuit. He may have had aluminum twins, but I think it unlikely.
I didn't want to get into speculating too much, but (since you wondered what I meant)a possible scenario would be either a loss of wing buoyancy, or an inflator that wasn't bungied and he couldn't find it. With no drysuit to inflate and an increasingly fast decent...you get the picture. With a wetsuit the whole incident seems more explainable or understandable.
deepdiverbc
Contributor
I just heard on the radio that they are calling off the search.
I hate these accidents. Especially when they involve divers like this young man who take the sport seriously through training and actively practicing their sport. It is very frustrating and sad.
Here is some more information from a radio news release.
Family of teen diver says thanks for search efforts
June 09, 2005 - 3:39 pm
By: John Ackermann
News1130
His mind was agile, his will unconquerable, but unfortunately his body could not match his will, or his mind. Those words come today from the parents of young Brayden Carroll, the Langley teen who died while diving last week in West Vancouver. Carroll's family thanks West Van Police, the RCMP Dive team and the Department of Fisheries and Oceans for all their hard work in searching for their son. A celebration of his life takes place this Sunday at the Vancouver Aquarium's Arctic Exhibit. Carroll died after he and a friend were trying to reach depths of up to 150 feet in an area divers call "The Wall." His friend knew something wasn't quite right when he noticed Carroll was taking too long to come back to the surface.
I hate these accidents. Especially when they involve divers like this young man who take the sport seriously through training and actively practicing their sport. It is very frustrating and sad.
Here is some more information from a radio news release.
Family of teen diver says thanks for search efforts
June 09, 2005 - 3:39 pm
By: John Ackermann
News1130
His mind was agile, his will unconquerable, but unfortunately his body could not match his will, or his mind. Those words come today from the parents of young Brayden Carroll, the Langley teen who died while diving last week in West Vancouver. Carroll's family thanks West Van Police, the RCMP Dive team and the Department of Fisheries and Oceans for all their hard work in searching for their son. A celebration of his life takes place this Sunday at the Vancouver Aquarium's Arctic Exhibit. Carroll died after he and a friend were trying to reach depths of up to 150 feet in an area divers call "The Wall." His friend knew something wasn't quite right when he noticed Carroll was taking too long to come back to the surface.
The BC RCMP divers have been way too busy this week, that's for sure.
First, it was to find their own officer who fell off a police zodiac on Okanagan Lake, then this, and now last night/today, the houseboat that was filled to double capacity on Okanagan lake for a party.
I really hope this isn't the start of a trend for the summer...
First, it was to find their own officer who fell off a police zodiac on Okanagan Lake, then this, and now last night/today, the houseboat that was filled to double capacity on Okanagan lake for a party.
I really hope this isn't the start of a trend for the summer...
Henry:
Kirk actually searched for more than 1 minute. It wasn't just a case of getting separated in bad viz. He knew his buddy was in trouble and he made every effort and risked his own life to find him.
The body of the missing diver (Brayden), was found this morning by BC ferries.
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