Running the boat over my head after back roll.

[Zef]

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"Gunnel" vs. "Gunwale" - The Hull Truth - Boating and Fishing Forum

Interesting read...I still stand by that it is g-u-n-w-a-l-e, even though it is pronounced gunnel. A wale is plank and a gunwale is the uppermost plank that a gun mount was attached to....hence the name. But I like the fact that you looked into it to back up your spelling.

Cheers

-Z

 

[IncreaseMyT]

Interesting read...I still stand by that it is g-u-n-w-a-l-e, even though it is pronounced gunnel. A wale is plank and a gunwale is the uppermost plank that a gun mount was attached to....hence the name. But I like the fact that you looked into it to back up your spelling.

Cheers

-Z

I thought this was a relaxed environment so I type text talk in here a lot, how it sounds. Mah bad.

The main point, let all of your air out of your BCD before back-rolling if thats possible.

 

[NAUI Wowie]

I thought this was a relaxed environment so I type text talk in here a lot, how it sounds. Mah bad.

The main point, let all of your air out of your BCD before back-rolling if thats possible.

The only reason to let all the air out of a bcd is for specifically needing a negative entry for a specific dive. It isnt recommended procedure for diving in general. What if a couple seconds before you put bcd on some crew member turns your air off? etc etc....

Or there is a malfunction of gear which you notice as you go in.


Id suggest putting in a caveat that most divers should not do this unless specified and agreed by all for the dive.

 

[TrimixToo]

I thought this was a relaxed environment so I type text talk in here a lot, how it sounds. Mah bad.

The main point, let all of your air out of your BCD before back-rolling if thats possible.

Not me. I want to be positive when I hit the water. Right after that, I might dump all the air, but on the way in? It's insurance against entry mishaps of all kinds.

 

[IncreaseMyT]

Not me. I want to be positive when I hit the water. Right after that, I might dump all the air, but on the way in? It's insurance against entry mishaps of all kinds.

Well then something like what happened to the OP might happen to you.

I don't wanna bob at the top of the water under the boat, extremely dangerous.

Air in the BC when you back-roll is a big no no where I come from.

 

[M DeM]

Hi guys
This is a difficult subject for me, bu if i don't bring this up, it won't be right, because this could happen to any of us, but we think "not to me". I thought so too. I was working in Grenada, in ScubaTech dive center for a few months. I am a MSDT, I had an assistant DM, who was a local guy, older than me, and showed quite a lot of disrespect and inadequate behaviour towards me and the fact that he was told by the dive shop owner to assist me. I was super friendly with him, as I always am with people, always seeing the best in them until they disappoint me. This DM tried to make me look bad in front of clients every single time he could. This time he made me look bad literarily.
Back roll after he stopped the engine and gave me a command to go. Blow on the head (in a 5mm hood). Surfacing to invite my guests to get into the water, when I see the boat moving away from me (in perfectly still water), and one of my clients already in the water between me and the boat (?!)… My head hurts like crazy, it takes me a moment to understand, what had happened. I take down the hood... and the blood bursts all over the place..my face, hands, water around me...

To cut the very, seemingly endless, story short - it was the boat propeller. DM had started the boat on my head and drove over me before i even got to the surface from the back roll. I got myself up on the boat, holding the splitting swollen head and trying to stop the blood. If i would have lost consciousness i would have died because he was going to drive me back to the dive shop, which was about 30 min away. I screamed at him to take me to the resort that was right in front of the dive site. The staff at the resort acted fast, trying to stop or slow down the bleeding, called for a car to take me to the hospital.

3 lacerations, 90 stitches - huge incredible luck to have the scull just scratched and a few hematomas inside, but brain still in tact - I am grateful to be alive.

The DM never came to see me in the hospital, he never sent me an sms, he never wondered if i am alive or not. The dive shop owner left me without the salary and threatened that i will never find a job in diving business if i speak about this. She told everyone it was a small bump on the head.

I should have listened to my gut, when that morning i did not want to dive. I cried and told the owner i didn't want to go (why? - maybe i knew this would happen), but she made me go.. i should have quit right there.

P.S. i did about 200 dives off that boat, i had a big orange buoy in my hand, i had over 2500 dives under my belt diving and working in diving all over the world. The dive shop owner said it was my fault...

I don't want you guys to feel sorry for me, because i am incredibly lucky. The lesson to learn from this is - ONLY dive with reputable dive shop, work/vacation, doesn't matter. If you see them breaking rules or standards or neglecting safety of yourself or guests - report them, don't dive with them! Please!

Thank you for giving an opportunity to speak about it.

OH MY GOD. I'm so happy you are okay....The DM was helming the boat? I'm a new diver, so I don't know if that's normal. Or did the DM just give the captain the cue to go?

 

[chillyinCanada]

OH MY GOD. I'm so happy you are okay....The DM was helming the boat? I'm a new diver, so I don't know if that's normal. Or did the DM just give the captain the cue to go?

It is *not* normal but still something to which we need be aware.

 

[Graeme Fraser]

Well then something like what happened to the OP might happen to you.

I don't wanna bob at the top of the water under the boat, extremely dangerous.

Air in the BC when you back-roll is a big no no where I come from.

To be fair, there are circumstances when a negative entry is optimal, in particular good viz drift dive where grouping at 5m is less problematic. However each dive has its own characteristics and what's appropriate for one isn't necessarily best for another. The important thing is that this is covered in the brief and everyone does the same thing or it goes to ratsh!t.

Its quite entertaining seeing people's first attempts, which usually involve upside down legs flapping furiously in the air. I make a point of telling divers to squeeze all the air out of their BCD and hold their kidney dump open during entry.

I have also seen someone suck the air out of their BCD using the oral inflate. This is a really bad idea as you are breathing in all manner of spores that have been festering away happily in their own Petri dish for years. Not nice!

 

[IncreaseMyT]

Yea the main reason we do it over here is because of the type of boats we dive on, made to run far. So usually a center console and giant stride just isn't gonna work.

Once you back roll you can just put a little air in your BC at 5-7 feet and wait for everyone there.

 

[Hickdive]

Different situations require different methods but in all cases the prop must be stationary when dropping/recovering divers. This was sheer incompetence in boat handling. I'd be lawyering up over this if I were you.