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Fat old english bloke

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…in other words with a twinset.

My normal config is sidemount, but I tried it today, with a twinset I bought expressly for that purpose. Thought it’d be great….24 litres of dilout on my back, sides largely unencumbered, save for deco bailouts that can just be dropped as appropriate, etc, etc.

Whilst it was ok, I just felt like a f**king tank, a graceless f**king tank.

Henceforth, the twins shall be used as a gas bank.

Oh well.
 
Without ever trying CMs in either config I can relate to the tank feeling
I don’t even wanna take up twins for OC, I went straight to SM from single tanks
 
Without ever trying CMs in either config I can relate to the tank feeling
I don’t even wanna take up twins for OC, I went straight to SM from single tanks
First time I’d had a twinset on my back since 2018 too.

I was actually surprised by how comfy it felt, aside from the dump valve almost being in my armpit (Evolve). I could even do a valve drill, though the left post was a bit of a battle (too much crash damage).
 
Without ever trying CMs in either config I can relate to the tank feeling
I don’t even wanna take up twins for OC, I went straight to SM from single tanks
same. i've been resistant to sticking twinsets on my tiny spine. (5'5 130lbs). I still wanna try it sometime.
 
same. i've been resistant to sticking twinsets on my tiny spine. (5'5 130lbs). I still wanna try it sometime.
I let my daughter try this one, said she could have it if it worked for her.

She is 5’8” and very slim, and it absolutely swamped her.

She liked the improved feeling of lateral stability over her normal single, but was far too negative and found the leg-heavy trim quite uncomfortable. It’s also a bitch for someone of smaller stature to manage out of the water.

The cylinders are concave bottom Euros. She dives a trilam suit, Jet Fins, and was using my Evolve wing.
 
I am reading that manifolded LP50's work well over here (USA) as dilout cylinders for baby tech dives using a chest mount CCR. These have dimensions 25" height x 5.5" outer diameter. (Are these equivalent to your double 7 liter cylinders?) You and your daughter might give these much smaller cylinders a try.

rx7diver
 
I am reading that manifolded LP50's work well over here (USA) as dilout cylinders for baby tech dives using a chest mount CCR. These have dimensions 25" height x 5.5" outer diameter. (Are these equivalent to your double 7 liter cylinders?) You and your daughter might give these much smaller cylinders a try.

rx7diver
Yes, they would be, and I also have a pair of 10 litres that could be set up as twins/doubles, but my primary motivator was the significant volume that the 12s would give.

I could get used to the twinset again, but I think it’s probably fair to say that I’m actually a sidemount convert now, whether it be for OC or dilout.

The experiment failed….I’ll only ever be putting either my JJ or a single on my back in future.
 
The chestmount CCR / twinset config, despite being super easy to add onto a OC twinset config, seems like merely a suboptimal convenience wrought onto existing OC methods.

It looks like a very natural and modular progression at first glance, mostly because CM units are marketed (correctly) in the US to the large cohort open circuit twinset tech divers. It's also very straightforward to build, fill, don, and dive a manifolded twinset (plus it looks like a cool jetpack.)

Twinset divers will also naturally feel like they can just ignore the CCR and revert to their OC training if there is a problem underwater, which also probably makes this config easier and faster to teach.

But was a open circuit twinset approach actually optimal for all of these divers in the first place?

This is debatable, though still default by tradition & agencies. It has merits, though in-water 3-valve twinset valve drills aren't actually that relevant, unless you're someone who regularly bashes into cave and wreck ceilings. Proper equipment maintenance schedules + adequate pre- and in-water checks of valves and regs is better approach to safety than assuming a manifold solves everything.

There are highly usable alternatives to relying strictly on manifolded twinsets for open circuit, including no manifold, 2+ cylinder sidemount, or even carrying an extra S80 stage or two with a "single backmount" config at a diving location that doesn't stock twinsets.

An added benefit of side-mounted or non-manifolded bailouts, for those properly trained, is that they don't necessarily all need to be the same gas. A twinset of the same gas is often excessive and/or not the ideal gas plan for CCR bailout, given the same total number of cylinders carried.

The experiment failed….I’ll only ever be putting either my JJ or a single on my back in future.
Same here. I definitely did not dabble into chestmount to "go heavy" either. There are already CCRs that are proven to do this better--JJ-CCR being in the top 5 for sure--more reliably, more safely, and more fault- & flood-tolerant than a chestmount / twinset config can.

People can and do go to 100 metres and beyond in CM/twinset configs, and can do so competently and safely given sufficient discipline/maintenance/training, but it is definitely not a 1:1 replacement nor necessarily an objectively better/safer/more optimal config for doing so.

But maybe chestmount + twinset config is just another stepping stone to a chestmount + a JJ/rEvo/Liberty/XCCR/Fathom etc dual config 😅 ...in which case the twinset still gets ditched 🪄
 
I am reading that manifolded LP50's work well over here (USA) as dilout cylinders for baby tech dives using a chest mount CCR.

What do you consider an adult sized tech dive?
I use them as my diluent and deep bailout on what I would consider relatively deep dives.
 
What do you consider an adult sized tech dive?
I use them as my diluent and deep bailout on what I would consider relatively deep dives.
@Tracy,

I was attempting to distinguish between CCR tech dives that require less dilout, vs. more dilout, than double LP50's (double 7 liters) can accommodate. OP mentioned double 12 liters.

rx7diver
 

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