Resort's " New Normal " Rule - No AIR 2 or diving your long hose

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Maybe first figure out why there are enough out-of-air events that this even matters. Teaching is a separate question but do resorts really see air sharing on a daily basis?

Generally I have only had to share air in resort environments. Low on air rather than out of air.

If I was guiding a new to me group I would do an air check 1. on the boat, 2. after descent, 3. after 10 minutes in and thereafter based on my estimate of their air consumption at 10 minutes. If you think that's extreme, I once had a customer guzzle an AL80 in 15 minutes of a relatively shallow dive.

Remember that resorts see many (non?) divers who will only dive on a resort based holiday. Air sharing with the DM would happen frequently enough that it's a non-event.

We would often have to look up people's qualifications, and some had literally not dived in a decade or more. You are effectively dealing with new divers.
 
We say new normal but lets be honest there are not that many folks worldwide that use Primary Donate, the industry standard is octo-donate. I expect SB to have a huge problem with it but it won’t have a significant impact on resorts. The no Air 2 might have a more significant impact.

I would ask though how are they going to ensure that a diver has not tested their octo by breathing it? If a diver tests the octo by breathing it, wallah, you have a contaminated octo in the same way a primary was.

It would really be in agency and manufacturers interest to sponsor a study on whether COVID-19 survives under water and on scuba equipment.

i know, that is why I said air2 may be a more significant issue.

you contradicted yourself though, how can "not many folks" use primary donate and have no significant impact on resorts, but the lack of Air2 would? They are tied together
 
I don’t think testing a secondary on the surface in a secondary donate scenario will lead to a significant risk of COVID-19 transmission from one to another, ad then that secondary is exposed to the open water, effectively washing it. Purge it a couple of times for a good scrub.
 
What about all the times that don't make it into BSAC incident reports.

Are you aware of any other diving agency globally (DAN included) which publishes an Annual report of Accidents and Incidents involving their divers to the same detail as BSAC ?

I am not aware of anyone else who does that.
 
all data can be skewed by strategic reporting, but also the number of incidents that go unreported. If it doesn't become an actual incident, the odds of it being reported are basically 0. My personal experience conflicts with the BSAC data, but either way, it's not my decision. If this becomes the new normal, then fine, however I will NEVER allow secondary take as a primary form, that is ridiculous and extremely dangerous in technical diving. If you grab the wrong second stage and tox, it won't be my fault but I'll feel bad. You get to ask nicely and I'll consider giving you a second stage, but if I give it to you, it will be a breathable one.

@loosenit2 Air2 use requires primary donate...
Diving with multiple gas mixes requires specialist procedures for gas failures. You solution is appreciated for those conditions. Most divers however are single cylinder and diving to less than 30m.
 
I don’t think testing a secondary on the surface in a secondary donate scenario will lead to a significant risk of COVID-19 transmission from one to another, ad then that secondary is exposed to the open water, effectively washing it. Purge it a couple of times for a good scrub.

Salt water or fresh water ?
 
I don’t think testing a secondary on the surface in a secondary donate scenario will lead to a significant risk of COVID-19 transmission from one to another, ad then that secondary is exposed to the open water, effectively washing it. Purge it a couple of times for a good scrub.
Unfortunately, the science is still out on whether salt water could clean the reg.
 
What is the likelihood to have you in need of an unknown buddy air supply, who is positive for COVID, does not know that he may spread the virus or knows it and is going diving anyway?
What is the likelihood of you being positive to COVID, not knowing you can spread the virus, going diving and ending in a situation where your buddy needs your air suppply?

I think the discussion is only about primary or secondary - COVID does not change anything.

Or would you say as an introduction: Hello, my name is Inigo Montoya, i am positive for COVID, so please do not take my primary in case of emergency, otherwise it may kill you.

Happy to take the S...storm.
:gas:
 
It's a great idea. It lets me know where to never dive and also who doesn't have a clue about the advantages of primary donation.
 

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