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[DownUnderwater Dan]

But excess mortality is a hard and clear number: Excess mortality caused by the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) | RIVM

Yes, I read it. It's just another country's interpretation for publicly released statistics.

In nowhere does it mention about the pre-morbidity of the cases of excess mortality... theoretically meaning that even a nasty strain of influenza could of caused the same number of excess mortality, even if covid-19 wasn't around

To pick statistics of a highly respected country such as the Netherlands, is still not putting into context the true danger of covid-19 as opposed to other viruses that would of caused the same amount of death to people who already had pre-morbidities

 

[DownUnderwater Dan]

The excess mortality numbers from Belgium must be easy to find. And those are clear. But indeed much more we will now by May 2021.

Why so many people are dying in Belgium

What's different about Belgium?

Belgian officials say they are counting in a way that no other country in the world is currently doing: counting deaths in hospitals and care homes, but including deaths in care homes that are suspected, not confirmed, as Covid-19 cases.

So in Belgium they are counting non-confirmed covid-19 deaths as covid-19 deaths.
...I can only see this as inaccurate statistics from the Belgian government

 

[Ripley]

So in Belgium they are counting non-confirmed covid-19 deaths as covid-19 deaths.
...I can only see this as inaccurate statistics from the Belgian government

Inaccurate to say the least.
Following the government correct numbers should be half of what statistics show.
Some deaths were counted while unsure it was a Covid death, some deaths where even counted twice,...

Analysis: Can we trust Belgium's COVID-19 death statistics?

 

[DownUnderwater Dan]

Inaccurate to say the least.
Following the government correct numbers should be half of what statistics show.
Some deaths were counted while unsure it was a Covid death, some deaths where even counted twice,...

Analysis: Can we trust Belgium's COVID-19 death statistics?

The sad thing is that people will still blindly believe 100%, even when they know it's probably false/incorrect information from the governments

 

[Ripley]

The sad thing is that people will still blindly believe 100%, even when they know it's probably false/incorrect information from the governments

Reason why most of the people with a bit of common sense will continue complying with the #stayhome rule as much as possible. We just don't know what or who to believe and what to expect.
One thing's for sure: we don't want a new lockdown in a few weeks.

 

[DownUnderwater Dan]

Reason why most of the people with a bit of common sense will continue complying with the #stayhome rule as much as possible. We just don't know what or who to believe and what to expect.
One thing's for sure: we don't want a new lockdown in a few weeks.

I think the main reason most people are complying, is because it's a criminal offence in most countries for failure to comply with restrictions

In any case, it's grossly irresponsible for governments to be attributing thousands of deaths to covid-19 without any confirmations of virus. The effects of this misinformation is devastating to people's lives the world over.

 

[Indah]

Yes, I read it. It's just another country's interpretation for publicly released statistics.

In nowhere does it mention about the pre-morbidity of the cases of excess mortality... theoretically meaning that even a nasty strain of influenza could of caused the same number of excess mortality, even if covid-19 wasn't around

To pick statistics of a highly respected country such as the Netherlands, is still not putting into context the true danger of covid-19 as opposed to other viruses that would of caused the same amount of death to people who already had pre-morbidities

But there are no other reasons. No nasty strain of flue. Not more car crashes (actually less) and no sudden raise in suicides. Excess mortality is just what it says. Cannot be manipulated (why would they) or falsely counted. The only thing that could happen is that much less people the average will die later this year. Therefore we cannot see what really took place earlier than next year.

 

[DownUnderwater Dan]

But there are no other reasons. No nasty strain of flue. Not more car crashes (actually less) and no sudden raise in suicides. Excess mortality is just what it says. Cannot be manipulated (why would they) or falsely counted. The only thing that could happen is that much less people the average will die later this year. Therefore we cannot see what really took place earlier than next year.

You're missing the point. If you read my post, it says "...IF COVID-19 WASN'T AROUND".
Meaning if all excess mortality deceased already had pre-morbidity, then something like the flu would of possibly killed them too. Just like in the USA, where in 3 months between 2017-18, 80,000 people died of influenza

 

[Indah]

You're missing the point. If you read my post, it says "...IF COVID-19 WASN'T AROUND".
Meaning if all excess mortality deceased already had pre-morbidity, then something like the flu would of possibly killed them too. Just like in the USA, where in 3 months between 2017-18, 80,000 people died of influenza

In the Netherlands the excess mortality was much higher than the worst flu year. But indeed we know far much more by May 2021.

 

[DownUnderwater Dan]

Sorry, forget to mention why I picked Belgium. Population 11 million. 6% has been (or still is) infected. 8.500 deaths. When compare mortality rates for March and april 2020 with other periods it shows that these are probably really Covid victims. The chances of dying are very high. Either the real number of infected persons is much higher. This would give a fatality rate maybe of 0.1%. Of a huge number of people this are still many deaths. Or the fatality rate as what is estimated now about 1%. But in Indonesia 67% of the men smoke, there is still much TBC and Diabetes number s growing. With the limited medical everywhere in Indonesia the mortality rate could be much higher. We just do not have the data to know anything yet.

If you're using Belgium as an example of how deadly covid-19 is, you should take a look at Singapore as a comparison.
Belgium's population is 11 million, with 53,449 covid-19 infections & 8707 deaths at present

Singapore's population is 5.6 million, with 23,336 covid-19 infections & 21 deaths at present.

Singapore is half of Belgium's population, & has roughly half of it's covid-19 infection numbers.
If you were to halve Belgium's infections it would be 26,725 & halve it's deaths would be 4354

By pointing out Belgium's covid-19 figures, it is saying that it's more than 200 times deadlier to be infected with covid-19 in Belgium than it is in Singapore! How do they tally such high numbers?! Do they also count Papa Smurf as deceased, just because he is an elderly Belgian citizen??! Only 21 covid-19 deaths in Singapore!

I call BS on Belgium government's covid-19 statistics. And if anybody wants to doubt Singapore's statistics or government, plis reply