GUE Fundamentals BP/W: Hopeless without Halcyon ?

[Jack Hammer]

As long as all this information is clearly and publicly known to all potential buyers of courses and equipment from the start, all is fine.

Heres a shocker for you then... Extreme Exposure, the LDS attached to GUE headquarters... also sells gear that is not made by Halcyon, and offers training through PADI and other dive training agencies

The amount of garbage and misinformation that people with no GUE training toss about as fact on the internet is amazing.

 

[MichaelMc]

The training will probably require to use doubles anyway, for which I will have no use given the type of diving I intend to do in the upcoming years, so I will probably end up renting a doubles Halcyon BP/W for the course anyway

If you're not going to dive doubles later, why are you taking Fundies in doubles?? Why not a rec. pass? Or some other people's class?

Strapping on a rental doubles set for the first time for the first pool session might be a very steep learning curve, if that was the intent. Or do you mean getting used to doubles prior, with your existing plate and harness, but then renting the Halcyon plate and harness for the class, so you are in 'uniform'??
(if you view this Halcyon thing as a microscopic problem, why the concern to ask about it??)

 

[KentB]

I’m taking fundies next month and have been talking to the instructor on and off for basically all of 2018 and asked her reccomendations on BPWs and she said along the lines of if you can afford it halcyon makes some very high quality gear but it’s not a requirement.
I ended up with a halcyon eclipse FWIW
I’m taking fundies strictly to improve my skills not to carry on the GUE route.
I’m also doing SM course in 2 weeks so that will also play a factor in which way I take my diving at least for the next year or so depending on my thoughts after trying SM

 

[decompression]

If you’d like the high standard of training you see with GUE you could check out Frederic Page from Montreal,

 

[PfcAJ]

Oh, I am absolutely sure there are.

It's just that I will be getting no advice in that direction from the GUE Instructors themselves, at least in the part of the world where I live.

Probably because they’re trying to steer you toward high quality equipment that’s well supported in the case of it having a problem. They’re familiar with it, confident in it, and have seen many instances of student success with it.

I’m not a gue instructor, but if someone asked me for advice, I’d suggest halcyon equipment because of all the above reasons.

You might be able to have great success with other options, but I know the halcyon stuff is good.

 

[seeker242]

GUE and Halcyon are entirely separate entities. Halcyon is a business. GUE is a non-profit. While JJ is the President, as well as the Training Director and Chairman of the Board of Advisors, there is no legal link between the two.

Halcyon people also do not own GUE. Nobody owns GUE. It's not possible for a 501(c)(3) organization to even have an owner(s) to begin with.

 

[decompression]

Probably because they’re trying to steer you toward high quality equipment that’s well supported in the case of it having a problem. They’re familiar with it, confident in it, and have seen many instances of student success with it.

I’m not a gue instructor, but if someone asked me for advice, I’d suggest halcyon equipment because of all the above reasons.

You might be able to have great success with other options, but I know the halcyon stuff is good.

AJ, do you still have a Halcyon raft? Lol.

 

[decompression]

Halcyon people also do not own GUE. Nobody owns GUE. It's not possible for a 501(c)(3) organization to even have an owner(s) to begin with.

True, but the owner of Halcyon sits on the board of directors........

 

[seeker242]

True, but the owner of Halcyon sits on the board of directors........

Yup, that's probably why GUE instructors are expressly prohibited from requiring a particular brand of gear.

 

[StefinSB]

So it's on the web page of JJ's résumé. Very good. But not every potential buyer of any and all forms of GUE educational material will necessarily scrutinize very closely that page.

I believe it should also be mentioned on every web page where GUE recommends equipment, whether the course pages or the books pages.

Come to think of it, I believe that all that would be necessary would be a friendly reminder that "JJ, unsatisfied with the available gear at the time, created Halcyon because it filled a perceived need, but, OTOH, purchase of Halcyon gear is not required to attend the GUE courses", or words to that effect.

No more, no less. No muss, no fuss.

Next thing is you demanding it all be in French I assume ;-)