Intro to Tech, to make a better Rec?

[PfcAJ]

I totally agree. 100%!

But, everyone involved agrees on the importance of diving as a team and of having matching gases. And the dive plan was agreed upon months ago (when we were originally going to do this trip, but got blown out). So, to come back with this short notice and simply advise everyone that this one diver has decided for himself to use a completely different set of gases (and, I'm fairly confident, a Ratio Deco ascent) seems to be a clear indication that the "team" concept has no meaning and use of Sacramental Gases is more important than diving in keeping with the team concept. And that smacks of following dogma, instead of training that teaches a diver to think for themselves - about EVERY aspect of their diving. As has already been alluded to in this thread, it seems to be indicative of a culture - an exclusive one (versus an inclusive one).

It's good to hear that some folks are actively working to try and eliminate these kinds of behaviors, but I think Lorenzoid's hope that "things are different now" is only partly true today.

I don't know all the details of the plan, nor do I think it's particularly important, but choice of standard gases tends to make a lot of sense. Cute phrases like "sacramental gases" downplay the very real considerations of END, deco efficiency, gas density, and alignment with your past successful deco practices.

 

[stuartv]

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[PfcAJ]

Stuart, you're turning into a run of the mill GUE expert with no GUE training or experience.

It's not a good look, my friend.

 

[stuartv]

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[mdb]

This whole thread sums up the Tec/Rec deal.

Why bother?

Dive the way you want.

No labels, no "right way".

 

[KevinNM]

I've been in the water with two different GUE divers (the two from these two anecdotes) and they probably looked the best of any divers I've ever been in the water with. But the mentality of some of the GUE people just totally puts me off of wanting to have anything to do with them. I mean, I still want to take Fundies and look as good as the two I'm talking about, but dang! If I got yelled at for showing up to a 30 foot dive with Air in my tanks, I don't think I would handle it with nearly the grace that my friend did.

I've done GUE classes where we used air. It's what was easily available.

 

[stuartv]

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[stuartv]

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[PfcAJ]

I see what you mean. It sucks that I want to look like my GUE friends in the water, but then I experience these things out of the water that make me not want anything to do with GUE.

I'm still interested an explanation of why it's important to actually use 32% on a 30' training dive? I know it's in the course standards. I'm asking WHY it's part of the course standards to actually require use of that actual gas, even if it's a 30' training dive?

I'm not a gue instructor, so let's make sure everyone knows that.

My take on it is that analyzing and marking the analysis tape is part of the pre-dive procedure that needs to be observed by the instructor. Additionally, part of the course is everyone diving the same planned upon gas which was 32%. Rolling up doin yer own thing isn't what the course is about.

I think any reasonable fellow can piece together that it doesn't matter physiologically if you're on 32% or air for the dive at hand, but physiology isn't the only concern during class. I'd expect an instructor to be looking at procedure and follow through on planning.

 

[PfcAJ]

Sacramental Gases plays up the connotation that there is a List and you choose what the List says instead of having the knowledge and training and working out for yourself the END, deco efficiency, gas density, etc..

Are you suggesting that the Sacramental Gas bottom mix for a 130fsw dive yields as much deco efficiency as a gas chosen using the Best Mix method? A better END?

Again I think you're off base. I was able to figure out best gas after my t1 course. I was also able to figure out why it's not really the "best" when you factor in the rest of the variables.

Weve gone over the benefits of standard gases before. If you choose not to place priority on that then that's cool, but don't get upset when someone does place priority on it.

Your own aversion to perceived lack of choice seems wild to me when someone chooses differently than you.