A question about the devils eye/ear entrances

[lv2dive]

What I was talking about doing can't be a very long distance ... Maybe go through the loop twice.. once to lay the line and once to pick it up? I'm not very good at guessing distances but looking at a map it can't be more than 50 yards?

I can't believe I'm engaging.

Oh well, here goes...

Distance is not your primary concern! I mentioned in my prior post that non-trained divers don't know what they don't know, and this is the perfect example of it. EXPERIENCED cave divers struggle with running and pulling their own line (using the reel) because of the concentration of flow, especially in the ear. EXPERIENCED cave divers get caught up in other people's lines. It wouldn't matter if it were 50 ft or 500 - managing the flow in this part of the cave is a challenge. I know cave divers that literally have hundreds of CAVE dives, and work with an instructor the first day they dive in N FL flow bc they want to make sure they manage it appropriately.

 

[JamesK]

I can't believe I'm engaging.

Oh well, here goes...

Distance is not your primary concern! I mentioned in my prior post that non-trained divers don't know what they don't know, and this is the perfect example of it. EXPERIENCED cave divers struggle with running and pulling their own line (using the reel) because of the concentration of flow, especially in the ear. EXPERIENCED cave divers get caught up in other people's lines. It wouldn't matter if it were 50 ft or 500 - managing the flow in this part of the cave is a challenge. I know cave divers that literally have hundreds of CAVE dives, and work with an instructor the first day they dive in N FL flow bc they want to make sure they manage it appropriately.

Exactly! While the flow can be your friend in small tight passages, small passages laying line and heavy flow is not your friend. The flow here can EASILY flip you fins over head while you fight it to wind in the reel. The flow here can push you in to an area that you can easily be lodged in. The flow here can shoot you out like a cannon before you even get a chance to wind in the reel causing a birds nest that entangles you and drowns you.

This is not about distance at all. The last diver to die here was less then 50 yards from the entrance.

 

[Superlyte27]

I can't believe I'm engaging.

Oh well, here goes...

Distance is not your primary concern! I mentioned in my prior post that non-trained divers don't know what they don't know, and this is the perfect example of it. EXPERIENCED cave divers struggle with running and pulling their own line (using the reel) because of the concentration of flow, especially in the ear. EXPERIENCED cave divers get caught up in other people's lines. It wouldn't matter if it were 50 ft or 500 - managing the flow in this part of the cave is a challenge. I know cave divers that literally have hundreds of CAVE dives, and work with an instructor the first day they dive in N FL flow bc they want to make sure they manage it appropriately.

A few things....
I can't believe you are getting into this either. You usually have way more wisdom than that. Secondly, Kate is absolutely right in that MANY cave divers can't run a reel here properly their first, fifth or 10th time doing it. It's the main reason that all my students do it in Cave Class. It is the second hardest place I know of to run a primary line.

 

[Bhtmec2]

After reading this whole thread I have been doing everything wrong. I need to post crazy request, be belligerent and bull headed with no regard to commonsense and safety for my self. After being that way someone will come by and offer me training, give me expensive books and walk me through some of the hardest but best training there is. Damn I have all my priorities wrong. Can I come up to Ginnie Springs and break the rules, Please Please PLEASE.

Sorry I had to get my fill of sarcasm out and get back to serious things.

I think this all boils down to lack of funds and lack of patience and smarts.

 

[SWAMPY459]

I can't believe I'm engaging.

Oh well, here goes...

Distance is not your primary concern! I mentioned in my prior post that non-trained divers don't know what they don't know, and this is the perfect example of it. EXPERIENCED cave divers struggle with running and pulling their own line (using the reel) because of the concentration of flow, especially in the ear. EXPERIENCED cave divers get caught up in other people's lines. It wouldn't matter if it were 50 ft or 500 - managing the flow in this part of the cave is a challenge. I know cave divers that literally have hundreds of CAVE dives, and work with an instructor the first day they dive in N FL flow bc they want to make sure they manage it appropriately.

That's EXACTLY the type of information I was asking for in the first place. Thank you!

(and enjoy Thanksgiving down here, I'm actually going to be up near Atl for mine)

 

[chrpai]

All I can say is none of you all are ever getting my a$$ into a cave. Screw that...

Glad you guys enjoy it though.

 

[offroadr1]

All I can say is none of you all are ever getting my a$$ into a cave. Screw that...

Glad you guys enjoy it though.

i said exactly the same thing. my dive buddy has been diving caves for years. when she told me about it, i thought she was absolutely insane. I went on a dive at morrisson springs and all that changed. hopefully ill be taking some cavern classes by this spring

 

[lv2dive]

... It is the second hardest place I know of to run a primary line.

OK, I'll bite. What's the hardest place?

 

[JamesK]

OK, I'll bite. What's the hardest place?

Weeki Wachee?

I can imagine that it is VERY hard there.

 

[boulderjohn]

400 bucks seems awfully steep though.

A 2 tank dive in Hawai'i will run you about $150. For that price you get to flop around in the water for a little while wearing an AL 80. With a cavern class, you are paying a little more than that per day for concentrated 1 on 1 instruction. You are learning skills that will last a lifetime. It's a bargain.

A few things....
I can't believe you are getting into this either. You usually have way more wisdom than that. Secondly, Kate is absolutely right in that MANY cave divers can't run a reel here properly their first, fifth or 10th time doing it. It's the main reason that all my students do it in Cave Class. It is the second hardest place I know of to run a primary line.

Trying to pull line in high flow out of the ear and not doing as well as I should have put me into overtime (extra day) on my cave training. That is after I had passed Cavern, Basic, and Apprentice classes.