Finally..... double hose....

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There is one other way, and that is to get a used AMF Voit Trieste regulator. However, this regulator had three design problems which made it rather hard-breathing: the diaphragm with a built-in dome, the venturi which was under-designed, and the LP Poppet which could move away from pointing directly down the intake tube. But with these corrected, and a mouthpiece baffle, it becomes an outstanding regulator. Two available now on EBay.

Vintage Voit Swimaster Trieste J Scuba Double Hose Regulator w Reserve Dive | eBay

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-VOI...278?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e740df78e

I have no interest in either, and they are not associated with me at all. I already have mine, and have no need for another.

Here is mine, which I bought new in 1976 (if my memory is correct):
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Ok here is the tanks and a pic of the aquamaster I'm waiting for...

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Jim.....
 

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I have a dumb question. Given the Phoenix valve, HPR second stage, and replacement cans, hoses, diaphragms etc. Is it possible to build a double hose regulator just out of replacement parts?
 
You'd still need the first stage reg body to make a new DA.

I have a complete set of NOS DA parts *except* for the the cans and the second stage seat stem (and the HPR solves that). If I can find a set of cans, I'll put a "new" reg together.

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Ok here is the tanks and a pic of the aquamaster I'm waiting for...

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Jim.....

I've always liked the 1971-73 round label DAs.
 
I have a dumb question. Given the Phoenix valve, HPR second stage, and replacement cans, hoses, diaphragms etc. Is it possible to build a double hose regulator just out of replacement parts?

You will need a main body and a set of cans plus a few more internal parts. The plastic replacement cans are for single stage regs -Mistral, Jetair, 50 Fathoms and the like. The ones that have been modified with a larger opening to fit the Trieste will not work .....properly at least....on USD and Voit 2 stage regs because the can's hole is in the center of the cans and they require the hole to be offset.

Ok here is the tanks and a pic of the aquamaster I'm waiting for...

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Jim.....

Nice looking DA. I suggest you have it serviced or learn the do it yourself. Whoever put it back together the last service either did not space the horns correctly or they prefered it spaced a little wider than it was from the factory. Nothing wrong with intentionally spreading them out but it does make me wonder why. Even if they did it intentionally, odds are the internal rubber parts are at least hard and need replacing.

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I've always liked the 1971-73 round label DAs.

Funny you should say that DA, I am the other way, I much prefer the square label. To me they look more classic and old school.
 
I'll go through it for sure... I did the same when I got the conshelf supremes on ebay... For a 150 bucks it's a really nice starting point, The rubber hoses and mouth piece a soft and in really good shape, As to the seller and look good in the photo's... the chrome is bright and shiney... I don't think it saw much water and if it did very little... I'll have it in my hands in a few days and see where I stand...

Jim...
 
I have a dumb question. Given the Phoenix valve, HPR second stage, and replacement cans, hoses, diaphragms etc. Is it possible to build a double hose regulator just out of replacement parts?

As said, you would need the body and cans. But------.

While not constructed from all "new manufacture" parts per say two of my regulators were made from left over parts, some NOS and then all of the available new parts. Now upgraded with the latest goodies they are my most dived regulators and I have no fear of "altering" them effecting their value because they are Franken-reggies.

I too prefer the round label. They are the ones I drooled over in the shop window when I was a kid, the old Mistral I had then (and still have) seemed so antiquated in comparison. And then the world changed.

The Phoenix is not the only of it's kind. A couple of years ago there was a small run of integrated bodies by an entirely different group of people than if I may borrow, the usual vintage suspects. I never saw one but in photos. Then there is the Aqua Lung Mentor, which is a beauty, of which there may be only one in civilian hands being as it was made for military contract and then there was the best forgotten AL New Mistral which was a kludge.

Before I new of the the usual suspects, I had been playing around with my all time favorite wonder reg, the Tekna T2100. Mostly mental drawings but a few sketches and phone calls to here and there. I had in my mind I wanted a pilot boosted (pneumatic amplified) first and second stage to make up for the initially high cracking effort of a double hose, a modern over pressure. But since then I met the usual suspects who were much, much farther down the road and actually had serious concepts and like the old TV series, "Then Came Bronson" well, then along came Luis. He did not ride up on a Harley but he came nonetheless :wink:. And now we have Phoenix RAM HPRs with a cracking effort of .3 inches WC!!! You actually have to work to bring the cracking effort UP!

It is wonderful that we have all of these new parts and at affordable prices through vdh I might add that are BETTER than what was done originally. The founder of a well known aviation company way back in the beginning, parodied, give me a lever and I can move the world, something like, give me a good engineer and I can make the world fly.

I do not think, BTW, that Cousteau was an engineer, just a very talented film maker. I think it shows if you critically look at our beloved dh regs. But, cannot be to hard on those who made those early days of frogmen possible, same could be said of anything, why invent the propeller aircraft, should have just started with jets. Gotta start somewhere and the infrastructure it used to COST a manufacturer to bring a product from concept to market now has been shrunk down by some sort of Martian shrinking ray gun to a a CATIA/CAD program and a CNC mill/lath. Anything is possible now, even anti-gravity, just ask Boeing why they bought MD. :wink:. LOL, I love a good conspiracy.

I am not very good at CATIA, my boss, complaining at me, asked me why he sent me to the school because I still hand him sketches on napkins, of tools I need made and why I cannot use Outlook Calendar like everybody else? I finally broke down, drew a simple tool, it took me nearly two weeks because I do not know what the h--- I am doing, much preferring napkins, and then I pressed the big red button. A few minutes later a tool fell out of the sky on my desk. Well, almost. Hmmmmmm. How does that work. Well, that would get me fired for sure and I been working towards that anyways, getting fired, :).

Built up from spares and new parts, square label RAM HPR. I use it with either a standard long yoke or a HD long yoke with a banjo for the SPG, triple splitter on hookah adapter for LP as needed.


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Pre-release, round label Phoenix RAM number JAMES 06-006, now fitted with the new HPR valve, also a piece built regulator:


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Funny you should say that DA, I am the other way, I much prefer the square label. To me they look more classic and old school.
I've always liked them - just not enough to own one... :D

This is my first PRAM, built in 1958/2007, re-chromed and with a custom serial numbered label:

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This is my second PRAM, it's a 1958/2009 and also the second version of the PRAM:

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PRAM hose routing:

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PRAM yoke screw label:

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PRAM with a Freedom plate, Halcyon wing and Dive Rite weight pockets:

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And this is my Royal Aquamaster:

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RAM hose routing using a hookah port adapter and 3 way LP port splitter:

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And the RAM with a Freedom plate and Halcyon Pioneer wing. The hose routing is not quite as clean.

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The hookah port adapter and splitter will work with a DA, you just don't get the balanced first stage, which means the IP increases as the tank pressure decreases. This will reduce the inhalation effort as you get closer to an empty tank.

The same thing happens with the single stage diaphragm DW Mistral, but it's even more noticeable, and a DW Mistral with a low tank is a very nice breathing reg, but it does not have a hookah port and is a "vintage diving only" proposition.
 
Those are some " REALLY " nice reg's..... :wink: I was thinking of tapping the bottom of the cheater bar to pick up a HP port and then come off my pony bottle with a spare reg and a LP hose for the wing if I add one.... Which I'm gonna do.... As I've got the " NAPKIN BLUE PRINTS " done and looking for a leaking BC to steal the fitting from... I have some cordora and para-pack sitting around from my days as a Master Parachute Rigger and I'm a hell-of good sewer....:D

Jim...
 
You will need a main body and a set of cans plus a few more internal parts. The plastic replacement cans are for single stage regs -Mistral, Jetair, 50 Fathoms and the like. The ones that have been modified with a larger opening to fit the Trieste will not work .....properly at least....on USD and Voit 2 stage regs because the can's hole is in the center of the cans and they require the hole to be offset.

You read my mind. I saw someone on eBay selling reg bodies and saw replacement cans at the Scuba Museum and that got me thinking.


Funny you should say that DA, I am the other way, I much prefer the square label. To me they look more classic and old school.

I have a square label DA but prefer the round label one. Also doesn't the round label have a stronger and longer yoke?

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The wife said:no: "we got a grandchild coming and we don't need any MORE GEAR".

I really don't see the connection between the two. However, you may want to remind the wife that children grow up but a double hose is a joy forever.
 
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