Weights on Belts V. in BCD

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The biggest issue I seem to have with integrated belts is there is more space, in the bcd I used, in the front than back. Having all that weight in the front seems to want to pull me forward a bit when descending and especially if I am on my knees for example in a class doing skills. I'm fairly new to diving though, and I guess we are never really on our knees during a dive, standing up at minimum. I guess the integrated system left a bad taste in my mouth be a use when I practiced skills on my knees, I would keep falling forward, mo matter how I arranged the weight system and it's weights, and my instructor would get annoyed when I would use my hands to push water away so I could straighten up again, thereby annoying me.

I first practiced 2 years ago with weight belts and I didn't mind them. I found integrated systems more comfortable though, and the biggest problem with the belt system was the fact that it would slowly sag throughout the dive and be really loose by the end, increasing discomfort. However I like the fact that I can arrange the weights around my hip any way I see fit.

Maybe now that I won't be practicing skills on my knees anymore, but rather doing some "real" diving, this won't be an issue anymore?

I use 32 pounds of weight in total for the ocean.
 
Once you dive a bit more you will be horizontal underwater more than vertical. This makes it easier
to tighten the belt underwater since the weight is not pulling on the buckle. It also will not sag
in this position. The horizontal position also offers increased water resistance in the vertical
direction slowing your unintentional ascent in case your buoyancy gets a little positive. This gives
you more time to release air from your BC or lungs to get neutral. It also makes swimming easier
since there is less water resistance in the horizontal direction.
 
The biggest issue I seem to have with integrated belts is there is more space, in the bcd I used, in the front than back.
And, this has been an issue with a number of weight-integrated BCDs, and has given back-inflation BCDs a bad (and undeserved) reputation in the past, for pulling divers face-forward at the surface. Newer divers would use a weight-integrated system, where the weight position was forward of the diver's midline, while the center of lift was aft of that midline. The diver was probably a bit overweighted (as more than a few newer divers are), they would use their BCD to overcome the weight issue, which placed lift above and behind the weight and over they would go. And, it was made more acute when the diver was using an AL cylinder, instead of a heavier /more negative, steel cylinder.
I first practiced 2 years ago with weight belts and I didn't mind them. I found integrated systems more comfortable though, and the biggest problem with the belt system was the fact that it would slowly sag throughout the dive and be really loose by the end, increasing discomfort.
And, if you are wearing thick neoprene, which compresses as you descend, you might find that a belt that was snug on the surface is now loose under the water. There is nothing wrong with tightening the belt at depth. In fact, it is a good idea.
However I like the fact that I can arrange the weights around my hip any way I see fit.
And, that is something of an advantage, although the center of weight, on the plane of your body from head to foot, is still the same.

Four additional thoughts in response to your original question:

1. I have used both an integrated weight system (on my Zeagle Ranger) and a weight belt (for most of my diving), and personally prefer the belt. (I actually prefer a rubber weight belt over a web belt, but that is another topic.). I have enough hip that I can use a belt, cinch it tight and it stays on. I do recognize, however, that there are a number of people for whom that is not the case, and the potential for a weight belt to slip off underwater, leading to an uncontrolled buoyant ascent, is not to be taken lightly. So, while I may prefer a belt, I do not believe a belt is best for everyone.

2. One (of many) reason(s) that I use, and prefer, a steel backplate is that it moves weight 'up' toward my shoulders, Many / most jacket and back-inflate BCDs are postively buoyant. Placing weight on the diver's waist (or toward the lower part of the BCD) to compensate for the buoyancy characteristics of the BCD, creates a mal-distribution of lift and weight. A steel backplate helps to offset this, and is a useful consideration for divers that need added weight, based on their exposure suit, body compositioon, and diving environment (salt water, cold water, etc.).

3. The scuba equipment world appears to be moving inexorably to a predominantly weight-integrated BCD existence. I was discussing this with our shop owner yesterday, and had not until then fully appreciated how significant the shift has become, in terms of what kinds of BCDs are available in various manufacturer lines. And, although you don't have to use weight integration with a weight-integrated BCD, the design and 'cut' (longer in the torso) of some weight-integrated BCDs makes use of a weight belt difficult. The good news is that the sophistication of weight placement in integrated systems is improving, and some of the problems you experienced (e.g. feeling of being pulled forward) are being addressed by the distribution of weight placement in some newer systems. Simply putting all of the weight in pockets toward the lower front of the BCD has not been a good idea, and more manufactureres are adding trim pockets for weight placement to address this. Not all of that weight is necessarily ditchable, though.

4. I think that achieving ideal weight distribution may preclude the sole use of either a weight belt or a weight-integrated BCD for some divers. As Instructors, we work to help our OW (and beyond) students come to understand the value of good horizontal trim, and are at times perhaps a bit critical of divers who swim in a 45 degree angle, head up, position. But, part of that in-water posture may reflect the effects of putting A LOT of weight on a belt, which may bring the diver's hips and legs down. This past weekend, I had several female OW student divers, wearing jacket BCDs, using very thick neoprene because of the water temps (and consequently needing a bit of lead), and in each case found that despite their best efforts to hold horizontal trim, the weight around their waist was pulling their legs down. In several cases I took weight off their waist and moved it to the tank valve area (ankle weights are useful for this) and trim noticeably improved.
 
Well, when testing my Mares Dragon, I loaded up my entire necessary weight into the pockets to see if the rumors about the pouches were true. They worked fine. But for trim purposes I will keep the majority on belt so I can ditch most of the weight to surface. If its not a huge emergency that needs immediate surface I'd rather not ditch the pockets in the Dragon, as theyre expensive to replace if I can't find them down there.
 
So I think if you're going to go integrated, you might spend time considering the best system also.

I dive both a Scubapro Classic Plus and Seahawk BC. Both are weight intergrated. The thing I like about them is the weight pockets have these big clips that hold them in place. I've never been crazy about the weight pockets that have velcro as I guess over time the velcro could start to wear out. In all the years I have been diving the above, I've never lost one or even had one slip out. They are also very easy to unclip if you need to ditch them.

I usually dive with 10 to 12 lbs of weight. I put a 3 lb weight in each of the two trim pouches on the rear of the BC and a 2 or 3 in each of the front pockets. Works great for me.
 
With my DUI suit in freshwater, I am able to use 24 pounds in my Zeagle Ranger BC. With lighter underwear, sometimes can reduce this. That's using a steel 100 cu foot tank. With a 120 steel, I can reduce the weight. . Don't wear ankle weights any more, but sometimes will wrap one around the valve stem.
My lower back just cannot handle a weight belt comfortably.
When down south, in salt water with a Bioflex Henderson ( a bit thicker that a skin) I am currently using a Zeagle Scout, with an aluminum 80. I used 6 lbs on either side of the tank in the rear weigh pockets, but I found it nice to put a soft 2 pound weight in each of the front pockets. Not really supposed to, but it really helped with the deco stop when tank is at a lower pressure at the end of a dive.
 
I use integrated weights in my BCD. For me, it is much easier than a weight belt and less pressure on lower back. I don't like having a belt around me. The advantage of belt is that it may be easier to ditch the weights in an emergency than integrated weight pockets. I like the solid pocket weights Pocket Weights Scuba BCD Weights
because these fit perfectly in my BCD's weight integrated pockets. I use the smaller soft weights for trim. If I need a little bit more weight, the ankle or tank weights help as well.
 
Always integrated.
I am another of those that lack hips (though I think I have a big a$$). It is interesting to read about the belts being easier to dump. Just a couple of observations. 1- I have never had to dump my weights. I have asked several divemaster buddies of mine and none of them has ever had to dump their weights. In fact at cocoview a couple of weeks ago I asked everyone on our boat if any of them had had to dump their weights or EVEN KNEW anyone that had been in that situation. Nobody did.
2- If you are properly weighted you don't need to dump much (and if I did I could dump the front weights - ripcord system- and would easily be able to ascend to the surface as I am neutral with my weights, drop a pound and I'm heading up or drop nothing and just start finning up).
3-Losing weights unintentionally. Aww c'mon, virtually all the integrated systems are pretty darn reliable IF YOU PROPERLY SNAP, SCREW OR VELCRO THEM IN PLACE. Belts can fall off at least as easily due to the compression issues mentioned above.

Note: I use 14 lbs in my Zeagle stiletto. 4 lbs in each front pocket (ditchable) and 3 lbs in each back pouch - ditchable but I have to remove the bc to reach them;) I have the back weights set on the upper tank band which leaves me perfectly balanced and horizontal.
Summary- do what feels best to you. All of us are just talking about what works for us. Extraordinarily competent divers are doing each weighting so there is no right or wrong answer (although I'm wondering how long before some DIR person will jump in and explain how horrendous one or the other is.:D I said it with a smile, let's keep it friendly in here).
 
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A good rule of thumb for Northern California is 1/3 of weight over lung area and 2/3 on belt. I use 12lb on a rubber weight belt and about 6lb for backplate over lung area. Makes divng very comfortable.
 
For me I'm one of those men who could not keep his weight belt up. So i run 11lbs in each integrated pocket a pair of 1lbs ankle weights and 5lbs in both my trims and 4 around the top of my tank(oh the joys of PNW diving).
 

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