Bauer Utilus filter/separator questions

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i was recently given this compressor, and am trying to get it all serviced up. the guy i got it from bought it and used it just as it is, but it sat for a few years since then. so i wanna get all the consumable changed out, but don't really know what i need. i've contacted a few retailers, but they don't respond too quickly. my first question is whether it's safe to fill tanks as it is, with two separators and no purifier on it. i know a purifier is recommended and i'm currently looking for a p0, but the guy before me used it plenty without and i know he's still alive and never had a tank explode, so it can't be that terribly bad. or is it? and my other question is if anyone can tell from the pic what i need to buy to change the cartridge(or whatever is inside the separator canisters) to fit with what i have. whether i get the p0 or not, i still wanna service the separators to make sure they're working as intended. and the last question is about the oil. will any scuba compressor oil work or does each company and model have it's own requirements? i've only seen what appears to be a sump in the compressor block to add the oil, but there is a little glass/plastic cylinder that you can see oil in, which just looks like a site glass to verify oil is going to the pistons. do i only change the oil in the sump and that's where that(in site glass) oil is coming from or do the pistons have some kind of separate, closed system that it circulates?

any insight will help a lot, thanks.



 
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Congrats on your new compressor. You have a lot of work ahead, but if you enjoy this sort of thing it can be fun.

I would not fill tanks as is. It sounds like the guy that owned it before you was pretty clueless and that can be fatal when dealing with these machines.

You absolutely need a chemical filtration system for a breathing air compressor. The mechanical moisture/oil separators only collect liquid water and oil. They will not collect water and oil vapor or any other harmful things. I'm not familiar with the final separator (gold topped cylinder) unit on your compressor. It may be a combo unit like the P0/P31 in which case it will have a chemical filtration cartridge inside. If it's not a combo unit then it's not usable for breathing air in it's current state. Even if it does have a cartridge it would need to be replaced. Hopefully someone else will recognize that unit and can provide details.

I don't reccomend the P0 if you are going to be buying chemical filtration as an add-on. My compressor came with a P0, but the cartridges are small and pricey for their limited life ($40 and <1600 cuft in South Florida temps). You would be better off getting a full size tower, priority valve, check valve, and bleed valve. The initial cost isn't that much more and the maintenance cost and safety factor will be much better.

The oil change process is much like a car. Drain from a plug on the bottm of the sump. Change the oil filter. Fill from the oil cap near the top. The site glass that you already noticed will help you determine the proper level. You normally want to drain the oil after running the compressor for at least 10 minutes to warm the oil.

Special oils are used for breathing air compressors. Don't fill it up with something on sale at Auto-zone. The vapors from inappropriate oils will overwhelm the chemical filtration and poisonous fumes will end up in your breathing air. Look for the Utilis manual (PDF file) online read up on the approved oils. It would also help to know what is already in it because changing oil types can be problematic. Unfortunately, this is one of many complicated topic related to breathing air compressors.

This may help...

http://www.scubaengineer.com/pictures/compressors/bauer/utilus-94e.pdf

Also read this...

The Deco Stop
 
great info, thanks.

i'm told the gold topped one is just another separator. it's larger than normal, which is good, but still not purification. you happen to know where to look to figure out how to change the internals of the separators, or if i even need to. i figured they get clogged up after years of service and probably need to be changed out. but i don't know where to start with regard to opening either up or where to buy the parts. and the purification system would just plumb in downstream of the separators anywhere? or would i take out one of the separators? not much room on my frame to mount another thing without bolting to the outside somewhere. which is fine if it doesn't matter, unit just sits in my garage and has plenty of room.

with regard to the oil, are you saying add oil until its in the site glass? cuz the site glass is pretty far up the block, that's a whole lot of oil. *edit* nm, while reading the manual it reminded me of the dipstick, which has a level. duh.

sucky thing is i filled up a couple tanks as it is when i was testing it out. can i just blow the air out or do i need to get em visually inspected again?

---------- Post added March 31st, 2012 at 07:33 AM ---------- Previous post was March 30th, 2012 at 03:19 PM ----------

with regard to you not recommending the triplex, i was told of another option. besides just swapping the final separator(gold one) out with a triples or super triplex, i can just add on a filter tower. now with those a final separator is required, but since i already have one i could do it. the filter tower cartridges are about half the price of the triplex cartridges, but may not last as long. which would be better, both performance wise and value wise? and if adding a cartridge and a p31 super triplex was the exact same price, which would you recommend?

 
great info, thanks.
i'm told the gold topped one is just another separator. it's larger than normal, which is good, but still not purification. you happen to know where to look to figure out how to change the internals of the separators, or if i even need to. i figured they get clogged up after years of service and probably need to be changed out. but i don't know where to start with regard to opening either up or where to buy the parts. and the purification system would just plumb in downstream of the separators anywhere? or would i take out one of the separators? not much room on my frame to mount another thing without bolting to the outside somewhere. which is fine if it doesn't matter, unit just sits in my garage and has plenty of room.

There isn't much to the separators. They are mostly empty chambers that store liquid water/oil. It's a good idea to open them though since it probably hasn't been done in ages. Your intermediate separator is similar to mine at least on the outside. The textured collar directly above the blue sticker should unscrew from the top part. Mine will unscrew by hand, but you might need a strap wrench or similar to get it loose the first time. I have no idea how to get into your final separator (gold top). Once inside, the separators you want to look for pittting or major courosion (like VIP on a tank). Hopefully there isn't any. Mine are just empty chambers and centrifugal force is used to separate liquid from gas so nothing to clean really. There might be a sintered bronze filter inside that may need some cleaning to get deposits off. I'm not sure what is good for cleaning sintered bronze filters, but you could try white vinegar. If you use anything to clean the inside of these machines make sure you wipe/wash away all the residue. Try to avoid "heavy duty" chemicals.

You can add the purification system anywhere after the compressor's final separator and before the fill whip(s). Mine is not mounted to the compressor/frame. The purification system should consist of the following...

•Check valve - A one way valve that prevents the entire purification tower from de-pressurizing when the final separator's drain is opened. This is both for efficiency and because most purification towers are not designed for such rapid de-pressurization/pressurization cycles. Separator chambers are.
•Pressure gauge - to monitor purification tower pressure and to assist with setting up the priority valve.
•Bleed valve - to release air from the purification system when it's time to change the filter cartridge.
•Filter tower/chamber - holds the filter cartridge. Larger is better for the most part.
•Priority valve - AKA backpressure valve. This prevents air from going downstream (to the fill whip) until it has reached a minimum pressure. Usually set between 1800 and 3000 PSI. This is very important as the filtration will not work correctly without backpressure.

with regard to the oil, are you saying add oil until its in the site glass? cuz the site glass is pretty far up the block, that's a whole lot of oil. *edit* nm, while reading the manual it reminded me of the dipstick, which has a level. duh.

On my compressor (a Bauer Mariner II) the site glass has a min and max line. If yours has a dip stick then use that instead. They do take a lot of oil though. Mine has a 2.8L oil capacity.

Since you probably don't know what oil you have in the compressor you might want to read this thread...

http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/co...ding-systems/412702-bauer-compressor-oil.html

I had the same problem of an unknown oil. I decided to use Bauer SL800 synthetic oil. I did an oil change to the new oil, ran the compressor for 10 hours (not all at once though) to clean out the old oil junk and did not use the gas (just let it dump from the final separator), did another oil change, and then connected the purification system and started pumping my own tanks.

sucky thing is i filled up a couple tanks as it is when i was testing it out. can i just blow the air out or do i need to get em visually inspected again?

Opening the tanks would be the only way to know for sure. At the very least, I would drain them down to ~100 PSI in case there is moisture inside and get them refilled with dry air. No chemical filtration = wet (and oily) fills. Get them 02 cleaned again if they are ever going to be Nitrox filled using partial pressure blending.

with regard to you not recommending the triplex, i was told of another option. besides just swapping the final separator(gold one) out with a triples or super triplex, i can just add on a filter tower. now with those a final separator is required, but since i already have one i could do it. the filter tower cartridges are about half the price of the triplex cartridges, but may not last as long. which would be better, both performance wise and value wise? and if adding a cartridge and a p31 super triplex was the exact same price, which would you recommend?

I have a Triplex P0. The filter cartridge is tiny. It would work fine while it's within it's rated life (which in Florida temps is about half of the nominal CuFt rating). The Triplex P31 is an improvement, but it's an expensive unit and it's filter size isn't anything amazing. I bought a 33" filter tower as an add on and connected it downstream of the P0. The P0 is basically just a final separator for me now.

33" Filter Tower August Industries Inc.

I use these cartridges...

Filter Cartridge, MAKO PD-1803 August Industries Inc.

I can pump ~13,000 cuft of air (conservative) in Florida temps before the filter needs changing and get cleaner gas since the filter volume is much larger (the gas is in contact with the filter media longer). With the P0 it would be more like 1,300 cuft of air (might be pushing it). The bigger filters are a much better value and less maintenance.
 
sounds like filter tower is the way to go. i've found p31 for sale for about same price as the 33" filter tower, so i thought that would be easier. but it seems like that's usually the way to go for people that don't have a final separator and need to buy one. how'd you mount your filter stuff if not on the frame? and if you could maybe post links to the other stuff(check, bleed, priority valves) from a site to buy them, i'm not too sure what you mean and didn't see anything like that on augustindustries' site.
 
combo_tn.gif There is also a combo tower that has a sintered filter chamber on the bottom and the filter cartridge holder on the top. It runs about $800 with the filter cartridge.

One other thing to think about. I would contact Bauer with your model number, serial number and the year made (from label plate) to see if your compressor is one of those that were subject to housing failure. A few years back they had a housing that came unglued. It would be good to know if yours is one of those. There are also some Bauer experts here like Craig that may be able to tell from the picture.
 
View attachment 120120 There is also a combo tower that has a sintered filter chamber on the bottom and the filter cartridge holder on the top. It runs about $800 with the filter cartridge.

One other thing to think about. I would contact Bauer with your model number, serial number and the year made (from label plate) to see if your compressor is one of those that were subject to housing failure. A few years back they had a housing that came unglued. It would be good to know if yours is one of those. There are also some Bauer experts here like Craig that may be able to tell from the picture.

is that combo tower a combination of moisture separator and purifier, or something else?

any idea where i can find the serial? i've looked all over and only see what looks like part numbers, doesn't look like a serial.

---------- Post added at 08:20 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:54 AM ----------

•Check valve - A one way valve that prevents the entire purification tower from de-pressurizing when the final separator's drain is opened. This is both for efficiency and because most purification towers are not designed for such rapid de-pressurization/pressurization cycles. Separator chambers are.
•Pressure gauge - to monitor purification tower pressure and to assist with setting up the priority valve.
•Bleed valve - to release air from the purification system when it's time to change the filter cartridge.
•Filter tower/chamber - holds the filter cartridge. Larger is better for the most part.
•Priority valve - AKA backpressure valve. This prevents air from going downstream (to the fill whip) until it has reached a minimum pressure. Usually set between 1800 and 3000 PSI. This is very important as the filtration will not work correctly without backpressure.

ok, i think i'm gonna go with a purification tower, seems like the best bet from what i'm hearing. but if you could clarify a few things first, i should be good to go. my final separator already has a priority valve. if i got one after the filter tower, would i remove the one i have now or just back out the set screw, essentially setting it to zero, and use the new priority valve to maintain system pressure. and i found on the site where all these parts are listed, and there's a bunch of variations. is there anything in particular to look for? like the bleed valves for example, some are inline and some are stem, that screw into a port and bleed from there. stem seems easier, but would that go onto the priority valve or what? and u said the bleed is for changing cartridge, does that mean that the filter tower stays pressurized the rest of the time?
 
is that combo tower a combination of moisture separator and purifier, or something else?

any idea where i can find the serial? i've looked all over and only see what looks like part numbers, doesn't look like a serial.


It's a moisture separator and purifier catridge tower in one. It's similar in concept to a Bauer P0 or P31 except that it doesn't have an attached priority valve.

The serial number is usually on a placard/label and is usually mounted somewhere on the compressor frame. It's usually in a fairly obvious place. Mine is next to the on/off switch. The final separator should have it's own identification label attached to it or maybe stamped into the metal. That is the part that rcontrera is suggesting you verify is safe. It's a pressure vessel so it can make big boom if it fails. It would also be a good idea to take a wire brush to that rust and then paint to protect it.

ok, i think i'm gonna go with a purification tower, seems like the best bet from what i'm hearing. but if you could clarify a few things first, i should be good to go. my final separator already has a priority valve. if i got one after the filter tower, would i remove the one i have now or just back out the set screw, essentially setting it to zero, and use the new priority valve to maintain system pressure. and i found on the site where all these parts are listed, and there's a bunch of variations. is there anything in particular to look for? like the bleed valves for example, some are inline and some are stem, that screw into a port and bleed from there. stem seems easier, but would that go onto the priority valve or what? and u said the bleed is for changing cartridge, does that mean that the filter tower stays pressurized the rest of the time?

You have to use a priority valve after the filter tower. It needs to be under pressure (1800+ PSI) to work correctly. I would leave the current priority valve as is. You could dial it down, but the final separator will actually be slightly more effective with it working. Mine is set to ~2250 PSI.

You can use whatever bleed valve works best for your fittings and mounting situation. The bleed for the filtration needs to be somewhere after the check valve and before the priority valve input. The tower will hold some pressure between those two points even when the compressor is not running. I say "some pressure" because in my experience priority valves are a bit leaky. Mine is set to ~3000 PSI and it holds back pressure very well until that pressure is reached, but when the compressor is off it bleeds pressure very slowly until the tower is down to ~2000 PSI.

Here are some pics of my setup that might help. Most people wall mount the filtration, but I wanted it to be somewhat portable so I used aluminum c-channel as a base. It is connected to the compressor with a 36" stainless braided flex hose and quick disconnect so I can move it out of the way when I'm not filling tanks. The first 3 pics are with the parts dry fitted together before final assembly. The input side has the little yellow cover on the quick disconnect nipple. The output side is at the gold/silver check valve coming out of the manifold block. I intend to add another fill whip soon, but the manifold block isn't really required for only 2 fill whips. There are plenty of ways to split the airflow to 2 or 3 whips without it. The priority valve actually has two outputs so make sure to get a plug if you only need 1 output. The giant final gauge isn't needed either, but it was a gift from a friend's "junk collection" and it looks cool. The smaller gauge is used to monitor tower pressure and to set/moniter the priority valve. A dry gauge is actually more appropriate here since vibration is not an issue and oil leaking from a leaky gauge could (in theory) contaminate the air. The gauge is before the tower for this reason. All of these parts came from the same source as the 33" tower except the gauges, manifold block, and c-channel.

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looks nice and clean. i think i'm gonna get the smaller tower since i don't fill tanks that often and would like it to be more portable. i have a pretty good idea of what i need now, thanks. i'm hoping augustindustries or whoever i buy from knows and can sell me all the little parts i need, like priority valve plug and appropriate bleed and gauges and what not, but we'll see.



It's a moisture separator and purifier catridge tower in one. It's similar in concept to a Bauer P0 or P31 except that it doesn't have an attached priority valve.

The serial number is usually on a placard/label and is usually mounted somewhere on the compressor frame. It's usually in a fairly obvious place. Mine is next to the on/off switch. The final separator should have it's own identification label attached to it or maybe stamped into the metal. That is the part that rcontrera is suggesting you verify is safe. It's a pressure vessel so it can make big boom if it fails. It would also be a good idea to take a wire brush to that rust and then paint to protect it.



You have to use a priority valve after the filter tower. It needs to be under pressure (1800+ PSI) to work correctly. I would leave the current priority valve as is. You could dial it down, but the final separator will actually be slightly more effective with it working. Mine is set to ~2250 PSI.

You can use whatever bleed valve works best for your fittings and mounting situation. The bleed for the filtration needs to be somewhere after the check valve and before the priority valve input. The tower will hold some pressure between those two points even when the compressor is not running. I say "some pressure" because in my experience priority valves are a bit leaky. Mine is set to ~3000 PSI and it holds back pressure very well until that pressure is reached, but when the compressor is off it bleeds pressure very slowly until the tower is down to ~2000 PSI.

Here are some pics of my setup that might help. Most people wall mount the filtration, but I wanted it to be somewhat portable so I used aluminum c-channel as a base. It is connected to the compressor with a 36" stainless braided flex hose and quick disconnect so I can move it out of the way when I'm not filling tanks. The first 3 pics are with the parts dry fitted together before final assembly. The input side has the little yellow cover on the quick disconnect nipple. The output side is at the gold/silver check valve coming out of the manifold block. I intend to add another fill whip soon, but the manifold block isn't really required for only 2 fill whips. There are plenty of ways to split the airflow to 2 or 3 whips without it. The priority valve actually has two outputs so make sure to get a plug if you only need 1 output. The giant final gauge isn't needed either, but it was a gift from a friend's "junk collection" and it looks cool. The smaller gauge is used to monitor tower pressure and to set/moniter the priority valve. A dry gauge is actually more appropriate here since vibration is not an issue and oil leaking from a leaky gauge could (in theory) contaminate the air. The gauge is before the tower for this reason. All of these parts came from the same source as the 33" tower except the gauges, manifold block, and c-channel.

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Besides the short stack, you will need a short jumper hose, bleeder, priority valve (a couple of different types available ... fixed setting and adjustable setting) and fittings to put them all together. Oh ... and of course, the appropriate cartridge.
 

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