tangential issues from a mishap thread

[MXGratefulDiver]

They don't its what gets tough in the AOW you said you teach all of the AOW stuff in your OW course as much stuff in your ow as we do in both the ow and the AOW

The things I teach in OW are mandated by my agency ... which specifies that we must (among other things) train divers how to perform rescue tows, how to recover an unconscious diver from the bottom in at least 20 feet of water, and how to perform simple navigation as part of their OW curriculum. Not only do I teach these things in OW ... so does every other NAUI instructor on the planet.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[coldwatercanada]

"Since this apparently represents your ability to understand the concept, I will sincerely apologize for asking too much of you and leave it at that."

So what you're saying is you didn't call and talk to the person in charge of all this stuff at padi???

"2007: 5 total deaths during training. One was due to a cardiac problem (that means heart problem, BTW). In another there was no identification of a cause in the report."

O good you talked to the police and established it wasn't a medical condition good i was worried about that

"I'm beginning to believe that the fundamental problem here is that dive professionals in Alberta don't how to perform a rescue ... much less teach one."

I don't know what happened or how the rescue was performed I was just talking about rumors I heard bud. They could have been ssi instructors for all we really know. there are so many scenarios that could have happened!!! the buddy couldn't get close enough to inflate the bcd in a manor that was safe to the buddy? or if the rumors about having to use a stage bottle are true that would imply they weren't in a safe position to inflate the victims bcd any other way

rule number one of rescue is don't become a victim yourself

I guess it goes back to the point i tried to make 10 hrs ago thats if you don't know what happened there's no reason to say **** other then our condolences to the family of the victim and the instructors involved

 

[coldwatercanada]

Alert Diver | The 2010 DAN Diving Fatalities Workshop
fourth paragraph down

Statistics from one of the largest training agencies in the world, collected over a 10-year period, show an incident rate of only 0.472 fatalities per 100,000 dives.

so rounded up thats 1 death for every 200 000 dives performed sorry i did not know i had to do your research for you but im not going through the whole report to find where it says this again,

Now the next thing i know your going to say is I'm still lying because thats only .94 deaths per 200 000 dives i'm making it clear i rounded up (that means raising a partial number up to the nearest full number)


the padi stat i got directly from padi

 

[coldwatercanada]

and if there's no air in the tank or the victim is too strong to get to them in time to manually inflate?

 

[coldwatercanada]

"What does the certification agency have to do with anything??? Didn't you say you got booted before for PADI vs the world?"

Nothing your right I'm sorry

"What does using a stage bottle have to do with inflating a victims BCD. If I was involved with an OOA and had a pony, I would pass it off. Seems like a prudent thing to do. This has nothing to do with manual inflation of a BCD."
Lets say rescuer numbers 2 and 3 got to the victim and only had min air left cause it was at the end of their dive and didn't have enough air/too panicked to orally inflate the victims bcd??? I don't know it was a rumor I heard.

 

[coldwatercanada]

no one knows what happened ha ha were arguing about how people we don't know performed a rescue we didn't see on a victim we don't know what was wrong with.

 

[coldwatercanada]

and if you only have 500 air in your tank and or your out of breath would you hook a stage bottle up or would you orally inflate????

*again stage bottle only a rumor*

 

[flots am]

Statistics from one of the largest training agencies in the world, collected over a 10-year period, show an incident rate of only 0.472 fatalities per 100,000 dives.

I have no idea where he got that number from, but it's absolutely impossible to validate, regardless of whether it came from PADI or DAN or anywhere else.

While it's possible to have some idea of the number of SCUBA related fatalities in any given year, it is not possible to know how many dives were done during any particular period, which makes the percentage unknowable.

It's irrelevant where you found the number or who said it, because they can not possibly have the required information because it doesn't exist.

flots.

 

[coldwatercanada]

Its from dan????? They do a group study if you look into your dan report, that you read from front to back, it tells you in the first 2 chapters where they get all there statistics from including this one. its prolly higher then 1per 200 000 cause thats just the reports they can compile

 

[coldwatercanada]

i love how i was lying till i found it on the dan website and if you really have a hard on when i get home i can find it in the report but its there dude