Watson Murder Case - Discussion

Please register or login

Welcome to ScubaBoard, the world's largest scuba diving community. Registration is not required to read the forums, but we encourage you to join. Joining has its benefits and enables you to participate in the discussions.

Benefits of registering include

  • Ability to post and comment on topics and discussions.
  • A Free photo gallery to share your dive photos with the world.
  • You can make this box go away

Joining is quick and easy. Log in or Register now!

So, K-Girl, he is unequivocally guilty of murder?

I didn't say that. Nor is it my place to make that proclomation. I said he is a big fat liar. I think he should have to face that pack of lies in a trial and let a jury decide. I don't see how he can stick to 90% of the statements that he made to police and come out with a not guilty plea. I think he would have no choice but to change his entire story. There is just too much of it that does not make any sense. I personally think the defense would have to turn him into a heartless, gutless moron in order to deal with his behavior and his statements.

If the jury can't deal with the written transcript, there are videos of his statements to police out there. When it comes to a trial, if there is a trial, I'm sure the video they made of his statements would be shown. Portions of those videos are in the public forum.

Right now, not so sure there will be a trial. We'll find out at the end of April, early May.
 
The stories that bowlofpetunias posted are interesting. I dealt with the dive computer issues in the issues thread. I actually discovered what computer Watson was diving, and yes it was wireless. Did the police miss that it was wireless? No, I showed police statements that they were aware that it was wireless, their test results were the same. They actually tested the computer under all of the circumstances, including in a hyperbaric chamber. In the article, the defense basically quotes Watson's belief that the police did not test all the components. The defense got the manufacturer to say that it would beep if the battery was in backwards, but the computer manual, which I posted a link to says that it won't. The computer manual said that the computer will beep if it has a connection and then loses it. However, if the battery is in backwards, the display will blink because it never had a connection, nothing about beeping. I think the defense was able to phrase the question to the manufacturerer in such a way to get the response that they wanted which was to say it beeped. I think the real issue here is to delve into the statement that Tina's best friend made about the night before they left on their honeymoon. Watson had just come back from the dive shop because he couldn't get his dive computer to connect to the transmitter. Tina made fun of him because he had placed the battery in backwards and the dive store employee fixed it. In light of all the other statements, I could think that this actually gave him the idea of intentionally putting the battery in backwards in the transmitter in order to abort the first dive. You can't prove what was in Watson's mind, but the incident casts additional doubt on his statement. Kudos to the defense for casting doubt on this issue in the public forum, but we'll see if they can do that in a trial.

The other article talks about how Watson is bascially being railroaded by Mr. Thompson. The article re-wrote Watson's many of statements, some of them to the point of non-recognition to his original statements. For instance, the article states that Watson's mask was knocked off and he went to the surface, leaving the impression that Watson was in self-preservation mode to get to the surface. Simply not true. That is not Watson said happened. More kudos to the defense for their public relations efforts. I think it has been successful to a degree in causing doubt in the public forum. Certainly, the prosecution has had their say in the public forum, the defense is entitled as well.

So far as the interest in this case is concerned, a young bride dying is only part of it. The other part is the fact that Watson's statements to police were released, along with portions of his video statements. Without that, there would not be that much to talk about.

Yes, ItsBruce - he never should have talked to the police. But he did. So, there you go.
 
I want to remind people of just how powerful tunnel vision can be. Once you get it in your head that someone is guilty, all you will ever notice is evidence that supports guilt and you are likely to completely overlook exculpating evidence.

There has certainly been enough proof of that statement here ... well said.. and for that.. next time I am in your town I will buy YOU lunch!

Some people don't seem to be able to accept anything that does not support their chosen reality!
 
I have to say I also think he killed her. I am a new diver and even I don't believe some of the things he was saying.

If you watched the program she was found no where near the wreck and no where close to where she should have been if she sank from where he said they were. All her equipment was in working order (in fact the used it for the reenactment).

To many questions and inconsistencies.

I'm sure everything has been said in the past posts but I hope he goes to trial in Alabama. If he is acquitted again then it's over.

The issue of where they were just proves he's a crappy navigator who was under stress at the time. It definitely lends doubt to his truthfulness but it's easily explained by the fact that probably 90% of vacation divers couldn't navigate their way out of a paper bag. Hell, I'd dare say it's higher than that, especially for new divers, which it seems to me Watson probably was, despite his so called "experience". Add stress to the mix and it's very easy to get "off course" especially with any kind of current at all.
 
The press and "documentary" tv shows have crucified Gabe already. The propaganda certainly sucked me in at first. Tina's parents, like any grieving parents were looking for a reason, an explanation for losing their daughter. The fire was fueled by certified divers who project how they think they would have reacted in the same situation. The parents became convinced of foul play and rallied others to their cause. Now, after 7 or 8 years, they cannot see that a terrible accident occurred, and that there is a witch hunt for Gabe.

Interesting that you felt that way from the Dateline show. I started watching the show thinking he was guilty and came away from the show thinking he was most likely just incompetent and the family was on a witch hunt. I thought the show was reasonably unbiased and tried to show both possibilities.

The "new eyewitness" (apparently the Doctor Stutz??) that has been mentioned in this thread apparently gave an interview that had me asking why he left after watching the so-called "bear hug" if he watched her sinking afterward. I see a lot more questions than answers from the show, for the defense and the prosecution.
 
I don't know why some reports allude to a new eyewitness as being Dr Stutz. Dr Stutz was interviewed on the day of Tina's death, as is written in one of the articles linked to by Gabe's Dad. There was some talk a long time ago of a new witness coming forward apparently from Tina's work regarding Gabe's insurance inquiry and comments that he made.

Since we're discussing those articles, there is some new information and clarification as well as inconsistencies in those articles. As much as some articles were biased against Watson, these articles are very much biased toward Watson's innocence.

Widespread reporting of the case has almost universally adopted a slow ascent as fact, contrary to sworn evidence at the 2008 inquest in which a police expert said the dive computer data showed the ascent could have been as quick as one minute 10 seconds. This is a relatively fast ascent, on a par with the rapid ascent of Tina's rescuer.

No. Singleton's ascent was from 100 feet, carrying a lifeless body. Watson's ascent was from 40 - 45 feet.

The insurance angle is a beat-up. There was a life insurance policy, but it was insignificant and of no good whatsoever to Watson. It was worth a paltry $30,000. The beneficiary was her father, Thomas. Travel insurance? Yes, that was on the table, worth just $10,000.

They fail to mention that Watson may have asked for the insurance to be maxed, with him as the beneficiary, was told that the transaction was completed prior to the honeymoon and Gabe tried to collect on it, showing that he thought he was the beneficary. He also claimed on her travel insurance, but dropped it later - Wasn't there something about not incriminating himself?

And here's the clincher: the evidence of one of the detectives that an insurance broker, Mark Hughes, had provided a document (exhibit 33) in which it was revealed that in early September 2003, six weeks before the diving death, Watson did not want to proceed with a substantial life policy. He had planned to reconsider the opportunity after the honeymoon.

6 weeks before Tina's death, Gabe did not want to proceed with a substantial life policy. Did he refuse that policy on HIS life? We still don't know if he was insured; if so, who the beneficiary was; and if it was maxed the way Tina's may been expected to be.

Diphenhydramine, the medication she was taking for seasickness, has reported side effects of confusion, dizziness, drowsiness, fatigue, disturbed co-ordination, irritability and blurred vision.

We read about medications being ruled out in the coroner's report, but I don't think we knew which medications prior to this.

"[He] decided in a split-second not to dive after [Tina] but to surface and seek help. The cause of death was asphyxiation. For some reason wholly unexplained in the materials provided, [Tina] ceased to breathe."

A coroner stated that the cause of death was asphyxiation on one of the American investigative shows (Dateline, 20/20) years ago, but we never saw where exactly that info came from.

The photograph showing his wife either dead or near death, lying prostrate on the bottom in 27 metres of water, emerged later. It would be of little forensic value, but its impact on the public psyche was devastating.

I believe there is some value in that picture. It shows her position in the water, allows an undisputable comparison to the eyewitness accounts, shows whether she was in proximity to the wreck, and it shows visibility and possibly the conditions in the seconds before she was picked up. This is not a protected, static environment where evidence can be collected and that can be photographed and analyzed fully later.

Hearing Gabe's cries, Wade Singleton, the safety and rescue diver for the morning, plunged into the water.

Other reports stated that Dr Stutz informed Singleton, not that Singleton heard Gabe's call for help.

Five days later, with his mother, Glenda, now in Townsville, Gabe gave to a routine police investigation his account of what happened.''[After entering the water and descending] we both realised this current's a lot stronger than what we feel comfortable diving in … I turned to look at her at about the same time as she was turning to me.''

Except that in his initial interview, Gabe told the police that there wasn't much current. He went against the current back to the line. Gabe came back to the police station the next day after researching the current and informed the officer that it actually was a strong current, expaining how she must have drifted out of his sight. This was when the investigators started to look more closely at Gabe.

Gabe said he took Tina's hand and she gave him a ''thumbs up'', signalling a return to the comparative safety of the anchor line.

A thumb's up does not mean to swim back to the ascent line. That would be a turn-around signal. A thumb's up means Go up Now.

Tina's worker's compensation carried a death benefit. Thomas told The Age that his daughter's death benefit was $US33,000. With a double indemnity, a worker could buy additional benefits up to a maximum of $170,000. He claimed Gabe wanted the couple to buy the increase.

The difficulty with this as a theory is that Gabe was never the beneficiary. Her father received the money on Tina's death. Thomas explains the contradiction by saying Gabe thought he was the beneficiary. Thomas says he told his daughter to inform Watson that a change in beneficiaries had taken place.

This skirts around the issue of why Thomas believes that Gabe thought he was the beneficiary, as discussed above.

Gabe Watson refused to take out additional insurance offered by an insurance broker, saying he would review the position after their honeymoon.

Again, is this insurance on Gabe's life?

In summing up the many mistakes that stem from the Coroners Court, Justice Chesterman says: ''This cause of death was repeated at the appeal by the Solicitor-General but it is wrong. Before dealing with the error another mistake, consequential on the first, should be noted. The prosecutor described the cause of death as 'drowning … the deceased failed to receive sufficient oxygen whilst under … water'. The deceased did not drown. The cause of death was asphyxiation. For some reason wholly unexplained in the materials provided the deceased ceased to breathe.''

Not sure how significant this "mistake" is or what other mistakes were.

When she died, paracetamol, ibuprofen and diphenhydramine were in her body; the last is used as a seasickness tablet.

I believe this was new information prior to these articles.

Dick chose not to answer the question: ''Having been tried and acquitted in Queensland of murder, should Gabe Watson be retried in Alabama because that state believes Queensland got it wrong?'' Nor would he say why, if the Court of Appeal made a mistake, he chose not to take the matter to the High Court.

Gabe was never tried for murder in Queensland, and he was never acquitted. He signed a plea agreement.

There are multiple references to insurance payouts being the motive, but there was some information also about Gabe's anger regarding an alleged affair that Gabe thought Tina had. I suspect that true motives do not always come out at trials or to the media, so who knows...
 
A couple of thoughts and observations:

1. I know I've mentioned this before, but ... In most English speaking countries, the law says you have the right to remain silent. So, if the creators of the law think it is a good idea to remain silent, who are you to reject that?

2. My kid asks, relative to Dr. Stutz' statement that he saw terror in Tina's face: Can you really see terror in someone's face underwater, through a mask, where their mouth is around a regulator? There is not much that is even visible, and that which is visible, is distorted.

3. Regarding lies: I would like to run a short test. Please PM me with your answer to the following question. I expect that only 1 in 20 will be able to answer the question truthfully. And, that is even in view of my expectation. PM me with your answer. Be as careful in answering as you can. I'll tell you what is wrong with your answer that makes it an an untruth. Then, we will decide if you are a liar or just inaccurate. The question is: "Where is your car?"
 
A couple of thoughts and observations:

2. My kid asks, relative to Dr. Stutz' statement that he saw terror in Tina's face: Can you really see terror in someone's face underwater, through a mask, where their mouth is around a regulator? There is not much that is even visible, and that which is visible, is distorted.

"


I find it quite easy to see discomfort....
 
2. My kid asks, relative to Dr. Stutz' statement that he saw terror in Tina's face: Can you really see terror in someone's face underwater, through a mask, where their mouth is around a regulator? There is not much that is even visible, and that which is visible, is distorted.

As an instructor, I look hard to see signs of discomfort in students. Terror is rarely seen, but there is no mistaking it. About the only thing you see in the mask is the eyes--wide open and bulging.
 
Bruce, I don't think anyone disagrees with you that Gabe should have remained silent. He wasn't even on the radar until his stories weren't adding up and people then became suspicous.
 

Back
Top Bottom