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ItsBruce
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This thread has gotten me thinking about how best to force dive operators to do roll calls after every dive. Here is my idea.
First, when booking a dive, ask if the boat does a roll call. If the answer is "no" thank the operator and explain you are going to look for a different operator. If the answer is "yes," then say, "In reliance on your representation that you do a roll call, I'm booking my dive with you; otherwise, I would go elsewhere."
Here is my reasoning: If, when I arrive at the boat for a dive, the captain or DM does not assure me that they do a roll call, I will seriously think about not going. If, at the time of booking the dive, I make it clear that I'm going because the boat does a roll call, and then they decide not to do a roll call, I will be entitled to my money back.
Second, I'm going to make up some pre-printed stickers that I will affix to the waivers that most boats make you sign. The stickers will say something to the effect that the waiver or release does not apply to being left behind. If the operator is not good with this exception, I may not want to dive with them.
If the entire dive community follows my lead, the operators will have to do roll calls.
First, when booking a dive, ask if the boat does a roll call. If the answer is "no" thank the operator and explain you are going to look for a different operator. If the answer is "yes," then say, "In reliance on your representation that you do a roll call, I'm booking my dive with you; otherwise, I would go elsewhere."
Here is my reasoning: If, when I arrive at the boat for a dive, the captain or DM does not assure me that they do a roll call, I will seriously think about not going. If, at the time of booking the dive, I make it clear that I'm going because the boat does a roll call, and then they decide not to do a roll call, I will be entitled to my money back.
Second, I'm going to make up some pre-printed stickers that I will affix to the waivers that most boats make you sign. The stickers will say something to the effect that the waiver or release does not apply to being left behind. If the operator is not good with this exception, I may not want to dive with them.
If the entire dive community follows my lead, the operators will have to do roll calls.
it is ... this part of the thread, is no longer there
I think a sticker is not needed for the waiver (but it may make operations take note)
I also think asking what kind of roll call they perform when your booking a trip might be a better question ... name count , tags, or whatever ... if it's saticfactory "In reliance on your representation that you do a (incert type of roll call) roll call, I'm booking my dive with you; otherwise, I would go elsewhere."
or if not a satisfactory type of roll call you can say that you'll be looking elsewhere because of it
I also think asking what kind of roll call they perform when your booking a trip might be a better question ... name count , tags, or whatever ... if it's saticfactory "In reliance on your representation that you do a (incert type of roll call) roll call, I'm booking my dive with you; otherwise, I would go elsewhere."
or if not a satisfactory type of roll call you can say that you'll be looking elsewhere because of it
I never got my Spare Air confiscated but knew that might happen so we just don't bring them. Besides the airlines now class that as the same as a regular scuba tank and want to charge for it.
I would really like to have the dive Co's rent them.
So, Cruisin home, were you stationed at March or Norton? Not much diving in the Inland Empire. Last time I was on the Lois Anne someone from San Bernardino was on the boat. That's a long early morning drive to San Diego for a half day dive.
I would really like to have the dive Co's rent them.
So, Cruisin home, were you stationed at March or Norton? Not much diving in the Inland Empire. Last time I was on the Lois Anne someone from San Bernardino was on the boat. That's a long early morning drive to San Diego for a half day dive.
OneRestlessNative
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OneRestlessNative
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Still reading through this thread and reflecting back on numerous others that took the same course where no formal cause was ever discovered. A few things really come to mind with all the high tech gadgetry we already carry. With the addition of some very cheap technology all ready in place in other aspects of sports. Perhaps "some", if not "most" of the scuba death causes can be directly identified. Which could "possibly" shed some new light on the safety of our sport and potential "victims" of certain conditions, medical or otherwise.
Since almost every diver carries a computer now days why not implement a couple more sensors, and data loggers/monitors in the programing?
1. Every computer has a "basic" form of air integration at a minimum.
2. A simple lead that could house a heart rate monitor and skin temperature sensor.
3. A program that works as a "flight recorder" to monitor and record "all" conditions from start to finish of dive.
4. Even more sci-fi'ish, a mini RF deploy-able strobe/noise making/beacon that rockets to the surface if any of the monitored condition exceed a known dangerous value. Stowed somewhere on the rig like a cam band, that would alert surface attendants an emergency is taking place and relate a basic area.
Simple things like heart rate, times, temps, depths, mixes, and air consumption rates would surely show invaluable information on the physical and mental states of someone who cant no longer tell their own story. If not directly, than indirectly with known conditions, variables, and comparisons. At a bare minimum it would give investigators an invaluable time line and provide valuable hard data for future investigations and technology advancements. On top of that, as we review our own profiles we may learn things about ourselves in relation to "our" diving for better or worse. Some we may be able to change and make a better diver and some may indicate it is time to retire the sport. Thus not being another statistic and living a fuller life. This wont fix stupid, arrogance, or ignorance, but it may give it a chance to evaluate its error.
I think it is high time we evaluate what we demand and expect from ourselves and these company's that develop gear for our sport and safety. Perhaps in our obsessions with the newest, fanciest, ultra sheik, colored gear to match our panties, we should rethink basic principles and safety components. I see a lot of intelligent minds at work in these threads. Some desperate for truth, some wanting change, some hell bent on blame, most of it is wasted on futility....
Until we can examine hard facts and data, relate those to our own safety, recognize and change our ways. We can implement a million rules and laws but until we know true facts, everything else is just utter speculation and desperation.
Since almost every diver carries a computer now days why not implement a couple more sensors, and data loggers/monitors in the programing?
1. Every computer has a "basic" form of air integration at a minimum.
2. A simple lead that could house a heart rate monitor and skin temperature sensor.
3. A program that works as a "flight recorder" to monitor and record "all" conditions from start to finish of dive.
4. Even more sci-fi'ish, a mini RF deploy-able strobe/noise making/beacon that rockets to the surface if any of the monitored condition exceed a known dangerous value. Stowed somewhere on the rig like a cam band, that would alert surface attendants an emergency is taking place and relate a basic area.
Simple things like heart rate, times, temps, depths, mixes, and air consumption rates would surely show invaluable information on the physical and mental states of someone who cant no longer tell their own story. If not directly, than indirectly with known conditions, variables, and comparisons. At a bare minimum it would give investigators an invaluable time line and provide valuable hard data for future investigations and technology advancements. On top of that, as we review our own profiles we may learn things about ourselves in relation to "our" diving for better or worse. Some we may be able to change and make a better diver and some may indicate it is time to retire the sport. Thus not being another statistic and living a fuller life. This wont fix stupid, arrogance, or ignorance, but it may give it a chance to evaluate its error.
I think it is high time we evaluate what we demand and expect from ourselves and these company's that develop gear for our sport and safety. Perhaps in our obsessions with the newest, fanciest, ultra sheik, colored gear to match our panties, we should rethink basic principles and safety components. I see a lot of intelligent minds at work in these threads. Some desperate for truth, some wanting change, some hell bent on blame, most of it is wasted on futility....
Until we can examine hard facts and data, relate those to our own safety, recognize and change our ways. We can implement a million rules and laws but until we know true facts, everything else is just utter speculation and desperation.
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Hey, if folks want to plug themselves into a computer and let "Big Brother" protect them, go nutz ... just don't propose to make it mandatory. I go diving to get away from that sort of thing.
I want my dive computer to give me depth and elapsed time ... everything else is purely optional ...
... Bob (Grateful Diver)
I want my dive computer to give me depth and elapsed time ... everything else is purely optional ...
... Bob (Grateful Diver)
Having Waaaay less experience, I also like remaining bottom time before I hit NDL. However, it is generally my SPG that says it is time to head up.
My buddy is what I use to keep me out of trouble - and that is what I do for my buddy. Big Brother is NOT my dive buddy.
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