Yukon tangent thread

[The Brandon]

I have to say how annoying threads like this are.

I am not associated with the boat that had the accident. But having first hand knowledge of the accident since I was in the area and speaking to officials during the rescue operation yesterday am extremely frustrated at the amount of BS and how much everyone feels like they have to speculate. Wait for the report, offer your RIP and stop reading into news reports. They are all different. If you know someone who witnessed the accident get the knowledge from them directly and keep the rumors off the boards.

After saying that, I can tell you that about 90% of your comments are not accurate at all and do absolutely no good for the diving community.

Captain Brandon
TDI Technical Rebreather Dive Master

 

[Oside Jimc]

@Oside Jimc: It sounds like you have a lot of experience diving off of the Humboldt. It's a nice, clean, fast boat.

They are my preferred boat, and they have never failed to have a roll call that I can remember, but that said anybody can get lax and have a slip up, it wil be upsetting if indeed that is the case.

Since the press can't even agree on the victim's age I'll wait for more facts.

You don't just violate your MOD and die

Even 36% would only yield a PPO2 of 1.5 as you burrow into the sand, more than I would want to dive but not OOC. Waterhorse only provides 32%, not to say the diver could not have brought whatever on the dive.

 

[Jax]

I have to say how annoying threads like this are.

I am not associated with the boat that had the accident. But having first hand knowledge of the accident since I was in the area and speaking to officials during the rescue operation yesterday am extremely frustrated at the amount of BS and how much everyone feels like they have to speculate. Wait for the report, offer your RIP and stop reading into news reports. They are all different. If you know someone who witnessed the accident get the knowledge from them directly and keep the rumors off the boards.

After saying that, I can tell you that about 90% of your comments are not accurate at all and do absolutely no good for the diving community.

Captain Brandon

Well, Cap'n, you might just stay out of this forum, then! The forum exist for the very reason for people to speculate . . . and the forum rules, btw, state you should source your statement . . . Go check the A&I Mod post on the first page.

If YOU have a problem with our speculation, don't read the forum. It's just that easy!

 

[The Brandon]

Well, Cap'n, you might just stay out of this forum, then! The forum exist for the very reason for people to speculate . . . and the forum rules, btw, state you should source your statement . . . Go check the A&I Mod post on the first page.

If YOU have a problem with our speculation, don't read the forum. It's just that easy!

Exactly why this is considered the most unprofessional board around. For those who prefer speculation to facts have fun with it. Speculating over a death before the official report is irresponsible and disrespectful.

Captain Brandon
TDI Technical Rebreather Dive master

 

[HowardE]

Exactly why this is considered the most unprofessional board around.

Does the translation for that mean, "The Most Popular Scuba Board on the Web?" Because it is.

 

[Jax]

Exactly why this is considered the most unprofessional board around. For those who prefer speculation to facts have fun with it. Speculating over a death before the official report is irresponsible and disrespectful.

Captain Brandon
TDI Technical Rebreather Dive master

Again, in your opinion . . . of which everyone has one. Again, if you do not like it, go away! That is the blessed freedom of our world.

Here, Let me help you -- this is from the sticky in the main forum.

Originally Posted by Rick Murchison
The purpose of this forum is the promotion of safe diving through the examination and discussion of accidents and incidents; to find lessons we can apply to our own diving.
Accidents, and incidents that could easily have become accidents, can often be used to illustrate actions that lead to injury or death, and their discussion is essential to building lessons learned from which improved safety can flow. To foster the free exchange of information valuable to this process, the "manners" in this forum are much more tightly controlled than elsewhere on the board. In addition to the TOS:

(1) You may not release any names here, until after the names have appeared in the public domain (articles, news reports, sheriff's report etc.) The releasing report must be cited. Until such public release, the only name you may use in this forum is your own.
(2) Off topic posts will be removed and off topic comments will be edited.
(3) No flaming, name calling or otherwise attacking other posters. You may attack ideas; you may not attack people.
(4) No trolling; no blamestorming. Mishap analysis does not lay blame, it finds causes.
(5) No "condolences to the family" here. Please use our Passings Forum for these kinds of messages.
(6) If you are presenting information from a source other than your own eyes and ears, cite the source.
(7) If your post is your hypothesis, theory, or a "possible scenario," identify it as such.
Thanks in advance,
Rick

 

[fisheater]

Brandon:

A MAJOR part of the problem is that the "official report" is almost never made public.

 

[VooDooGasMan]

BOTTOM LINE Comanderscuba if you do not want to die while using a self contained breathing apparatus, do not dive.

Divings Dangerous whether with a buddy or solo. Ok now this is reality Divers die everyday, most on this board want to learn from these deaths to avoid death and add knowledge so not to become another DEAD DIVER.

I spent a few hours with a very old diver today, mainly to get info on wrecks he has dove that know one knows about. I asked why not dive anymore, I was suprised on his answer, my first thought is so what, whats that going to do to you, but did not want to kill the time we had so moved on to other things. When I was leaving I said sorry to here you can no longer dive, he replied I have a few doctor passes left I can fill out, my assumption is for family to think he can dive, again moved on to other important stuff before we departed.

Ok I made promisses to never tell things and got a huge amount of info on pacific coast wrecks, as I jumped in truck I asked what is wrong with you that you cannot dive from cholesterol, his reply was he cannot get the air he needs underwater, my reply was you come dive these wrecks with me and I will turn your IP up so HIGH you will have plenty of air to breathe and high oxygen content to breathe at ease. We both laughed hard and I drove away. As I left his property and the gate closed behind me it was something else to meet a diver that has dove for the last 60 years and still alive and diving is his life.

This fella has dove solo for 60 years, wake up commanderscuba you are a new brainwashed diver, if you want to buddy dive great, yet do not put out that other ways of diving are more dangerous than others.

BOTTOM LINE DIVINGS DANGEROUS



Happy Diving

 

[Anti-Hero]

The problem with an "official report" in this case, since nobody witnessed the accident, is going to be: A) Drowning or B) Heart Failure. If its not B) then there is a LOT of possibilities to speculate about A.

 

[lamont]

You know I normally defend speculation in the absence of better information, but there's very little information to come out of the accident and the possibilities are just about endless.

I don't understand why so many posters seem to be attracted by the oxtox or bad gas possibility. That could be the cause, but it seems much less likely than other possibilities to me.

(And the yelling at each other about oxtox seems particularly useless... You guys are getting incredibly wound up in a complete vacuum of useful information...)