Wing Smells HORRIBLE

[SlvrDragon50]

Euhh.. I don't want to go that far yet

I'll get Mirazyme the next time I'm near an LDS.

 

[cdolphin]

I just did a searrch at Consumer Reports: Expert product reviews and product Ratings from our test labs and didn't find anything.

Are you sure it was Consumer Reports?

Yup. It isn't a featured article, Jax - it's mentioned in an article in the magazine with recommended and not recommended cleaning products. Let me try to find the article...I've got the (April) magazine in my hand... Grrr me and my big mouth....

I noticed because I have the Costco-size of Simple Green here at my house, and I mistakenly thought it was a "green" product. I'll still use it - it will take the rest of my life to use it all, now that I'll double dilute it.

Just one of the many ways they get you.

 

[cdolphin]

Okay, on p. 31 of the Consumer Reports "Shop Smart" April 2010 magazine: [my comments in brackets]

"Clip and save label decoder:"

What to avoid: [this is just one category of five, but it is where I saw Simple Green]

PETROLEUM BASED CLEANING AGENTS, including alkyl phenol ethoxylates (APEs), glycol ethers (such as 2-butoxyethanol, butyl cellusolve, butyl glycol, ethylene glycol), monoethanolamine (MEA). and nonylphenol ethoxylates (NPEs).

[listed products]
All purpose floor and glass cleaners as well as stain removers and laundry detergents, such as Glass Plus (MEA)
and Simple Green All Purpose (2-butoxyethanol).

POTENTIAL HEALTH RISKS:
Long-term exposure to MEA might induce asthma, butyl cellosolve is a lung irritant, and long-term exposure to other glycol ethers is associated with neurological effects in humans and reproductive issues in rodents. APEs can be toxic to the environment.

_______________________________________________

My 2 psi:

It is "petroleum based" (I guess along with the plastic container it comes in) - no further comment needed.....IMHO.
It is nearly impossible to eliminate petro-chemicals from our lives. I feel kinda helpless. Like I said, I'm not throwing it away, just diluting it more.

 

[cdolphin]

This would seem to contradict your statement about Simple Green: http://ecovillagegreen.com/447/review-the-green-cleaning-power-of-simple-green/.

Do you have a link to the report? I searched for quite some time and can't find any listing for "Simple Green" connected to any Consumer Report. On another website I did find some question about one chemical listed as being in the product that is under scrutiny (not listed as a toxin, nor are all ingredients required to be listed on cleaners), but that was about it.

I ask because I use Simple Green for my BC, inside and out, as well as for soaking gear after multiday trips, and have used it since it became commercially available. I dilute it quite a bit, but it still seems to do the job. I would be really interested to find out if their non-toxic and environmentally friendly claims are invalid.

The blog you linked is just a blog, right? It isn't an official Simple Green Ingredients site.....I guess we can disagree on his credibility.

That was the point Consumer Reports made; the ingredients are not required to be listed. So you probably also read the same article I quoted above. I'm gonna leave it out of the inside of the bladder of my BCD

 

[merxlin]

I wasn't disagreeing. I was curious because I couldn't find the reference you mentioned but did find the one I quoted. I found it contradictory that Simple Green had a seal from a green organization that Consumer Reports said was rated as "highly meaningful".

Now that said, apparently Simple Green does contain 2-butoxyethanol, and there is some compelling data that it is not good stuff for you, either prolonged exposure on your skin or breathing it. I'm not sure how much that would apply heavily diluted rinsing a BC bladder.

 

[cdolphin]

Now that said, apparently Simple Green does contain 2-butoxyethanol, and there is some compelling data that it is not good stuff for you, either prolonged exposure on your skin or breathing it. I'm not sure how much that would apply heavily diluted rinsing a BC bladder.

I hafta laugh, cuz we are soooooooo splitting hairs....your point is well made.


Yeah, the info points to long-term/prolonged exposure. I'm wondering who EVER orally inflates their BCD - and if you do have to, are you really thinking about how you last cleaned it?

 

[sabbath999]

PADI has developed a new "Wing Smell Removal" training program and C-Card. I think it only costs $120 and is a four hour course, and the card counts for one of the five you need to get your Master Scuba Diver card.

 

[jepuskar]

PADI has developed a new "Wing Smell Removal" training program and C-Card. I think it only costs $120 and is a four hour course, and the card counts for one of the five you need to get your Master Scuba Diver card.

OMG, that is ridiculous. I couldn't find the course on PADI's website...could you send over a link?

Thanks,

 

[Jax]

Okay, I know it's Wiki, but its sources seem good . . .

2-Butoxyethanol is a solvent in paints and surface coatings, as well as cleaning products and inks. Other products that contain 2-butoxyethanol include acrylic resin formulations, asphalt release agents, firefighting foam, leather protectors, oil spill dispersants, bowling pin and lane degreaser, and photographic strip solutions. Other products containing 2-butoxyethanol as a primary ingredient include some whiteboard cleaners, liquid soaps, cosmetics, dry cleaning solutions, lacquers, varnishes, herbicides, and latex paints.

2-Butoxyethanol is frequently found in popular cleaning products.[1][2] It provides cleaning power and the characteristic odor of Windex and other glass cleaners. It is the main ingredient of many home, commercial and industrial cleaning solutions, such as Simple Green All-Purpose Cleaner.

Corexit
Butoxyethanol is also a major component (30-60% by weight) of Corexit 9527, an oil spill dispersant product.[3] In the United States, the primary manufacturers are Eastman Chemical, Dow Chemical and Equistar. Corexit 9527 is being used in conjunction with Corexit 9500 in the Deepwater Horizon oil spill disaster.[4]

Looks like we're more exposed to 2-Butoxyethanol a lot more than we think.

 

[DTm]

So what is in Mirazyme?
I do not know but seems to me like if the concern is use of your BCD to breath from or that you might inadvertently take in a breath from it, which is worse the stuff growing inside or the stuff you use to clean it?

This all also most support that the vinegar or mouth wash ideas are the better choice for the inside.

BTW I do not know absolutely but have a reasonable belief that some scuba shops use simple green to O2 clean your tanks. For those Nitrox and trimix divers, is that a concern? Maybe that is another thread.