Do you Need a Snorkel

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most of the people that I have worked with who resisted using a snorkel did not, in fact, know how to mount it properly or use it properly. Applying such generalities to all and sundry is never a perfect fit, but it does work in most cases.

I've had two problems with snorkels. The first, which I'm willing to put down to user error, was on one dive when I had trouble getting my inflator free. I tried to inflate using my snorkel, and after recognizing my mistake I ended up getting the two tangled and had almost hit the bottom by the time I got it handy. Naturally, most of this is my fault, but could a different snorkel position (further... back?) have helped?
The other, which comes up somewhat regularly, is kelp. Is there a way I can position my snorkel so it doesn't catch as easily? Something like reversing and taping fin straps? Often I'm getting pushed in the surge fast enough that when the kelp catches my snorkel it wrenches my head fast enough that I have trouble keeping my reg in my mouth.
 
Hi aquaregia,

I can help with question #1:

1.) I use a loop of thin bungie on the left shoulder strap to "tame" a floating inflator hose. This keeps the inflator positioned flat against my left shoulder strap, always in the exact same place so I can find it with my eyes closed (or mask gone). The thin bungie does not prevent lifting the hose to vent it.

2.) I position my snorkel exactly like the picture Thal posted of his son earlier in this thread.

With those two "fixes", you should never confuse the snorkel with the inflator again :wink:

I've never been in kelp, so I'll defer that one to Thal.

Best wishes.

Edit: Ignore my avatar pic.... on that dive I was testing a "foofy" oversize Scubapro "shotgun" snorkel with purges, weird keeper-clip.... because the LDS owner convinced me it was the best thing since sliced bread.... I could not position it 100% correctly, it basically sucked, and I went back to my tried and true old-style "J" snorkel with simple silicone keeper, and was a happy snorkel camper again.
 
Yea I have. Both times I shut the post saving nearly all of the gas.

Sorry, must have missed the bit where you mentioned that you dive doubles exclusively.
 
y Often I'm getting pushed in the surge fast enough that when the kelp catches my snorkel it wrenches my head fast enough that I have trouble keeping my reg in my mouth.

What a wonderful safety device the snorkel is!

Throw it in the trash were it belongs.
 
What a wonderful safety device the snorkel is!

Throw it in the trash were it belongs.
Such insight, such deep analysis, such cogent thought processes, we are all persuaded.:rofl3:
 
Sorry, must have missed the bit where you mentioned that you dive doubles exclusively.

I don't.

I must have missed the bit where you described how a snorkel will help me if I have an o-ring failure.
 
So "military" standards are inappropriate; and you say "science diving" standards are also. I have some trouble when we define things by what they are not rather than what they are. Granted, the requirement for rescue diver types is likely predicated on being under a chopper, but the requirements for a science diver, in terms of diving itself are those imposed by the same environment that recreational divers are subject to.

It is the consensus opinion, of those professionals, whose full time concern (and only concern, with no other axes to grind) is minimizing the risk that the divers they supervise are exposed to that wearing a snorkel involves far less risk than not doing so.
The only conditions that science divers are REQUIRED to NOT have a snorkel are saturation and overhead environments like under the Antarctic icepack. Each of us has every right to go to hell in the hand-basket of our choice, but your participation is the discussion here places some obligation to participate in the dialectic at a level that is more insightful than unsupported blanket statements like, "I am no more efficient on the surface with a snorkel than I am without one."
What I said was that most of the folks that I have had a chance to interact with who disdain the use of a snorkel do not know how to properly wear one and also lack some of the skills critical to using one. I stand by that.
I believe Wayne just said, "When I dive in the open ocean," which is not Cozumel.

No, you are missing the major point, which is there is almost always a trade off when you decide to carry a certain piece of gear, carrying it exacts an immediate cost or increases a risk in some fashion and that must be weighed against the lowered risk or other advantages that carrying it provides. There is also a longer term cost that relates to both initially learning to use the item in fashion that minimizes costs and maximizes benefits as well as the costs associated with routine practice and drill that assures that the costs are kept minimized and the benefits stay maximized. The initial and longer terms costs of a snorkel are so infinitesimally small that even if the advantage is, as you describe it, "under very limited circumstances," I submit that it comes out on the positive side of the balance sheet.

Similarly I carry an emergency pouch on every dive. It contains flares, smoke, signal mirror, safety sausage, small light, etc.
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There are costs, in terms of cash, maintenance and drag, to carrying this. But those costs are tiny when compared to the reduction of risk that this pouch might provide. Now ... I've never needed it to date. If I needed it tomorrow that'd be less than 1 in 104, so should I stop carrying it because the odds are so low?

When it comes to a snorkel, let's just take a few possibilities, ones that relate to rescue, and not by any means a census of all that might occur:

  1. We agree that if you are under a helicopter a snorkel makes life much, much easier. It is the difference between being able to be an active participant in what is going on and a passive victim.
  2. If you have trained in mouth-to-snorkel rescue breathing you are able to transport a victim at virtually the same speed that you can swim, over a rather long distance, whilst providing in excess of 20 breaths per minute. I have not found any other technique that makes this possible.
  3. It also serves in place of a pocket mask or other form of shield which you are unlikely to have with you out in the ocean.
  4. If you are providing a tired diver assist, either with the victims hands on your shoulder or with a fin push you will be, more or less, face down in the water, especially if you are wearing a BP/W. A snorkel makes both these assists much, much easier.
Any one of those four items, each of which is far more likely than needing a parachute flare or smoke, greatly overpowers the minuscule cost(s) of taking a snorkel out on a dive.

My personal favorite in your goodie bag is the quarter. To call home, I presume, after you're rescued?
 
The definition of "need" is "something required or wanted."

This does not mean that every want is therefore a need any more than every rectangle is a square. You're inverting the definition.

To keep it simple, snorkels are required and thus needed.
Required how? I don't see any snorkel police halting my dives when I disobey snorkel laws.

To take it to the next level, you state that that they are, "a damned good idea." I would think that covers "wanted."
I can easily see where they are a good idea for other people and can admit that, for those people or people who don't know one way or the other, that a snorkel should be a default piece of their equipment until such time as they decide otherwise, but what is a good idea for other people does not automatically translate into either a want or a need for myself.

For example: Weight-loss diet foods are a damned good idea but I am 5'11" and weigh 140lbs. I'm embarassingly thin, like a stick figure. Would you say that, by stating that diet foods are a damned good idea, that I've declared that I want and therefore need weight-loss diet food?

So, despite the "or" connection, both conditions that define need are met.
Actually, no. I find that the snorkel is still neither required nor wanted. Thus, even by your definition of the word 'need', it is not needed.


Which is not to say, that you do not have the right to, despite the need to use one, decline to do so, except in those few places where doing so would be a violation of law, statute or regulation.
As I don't dive in any such place currently and do not forsee doing so, I continue to not need a snorkel.
 
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I can't believe how contentious this topic has been. I don't think that anyone is saying that every diver should or should not always carry a snorkel, or have I missed something?

I can't comment on where, or how anyone dives. All I can say, is if you want to dive in many of the areas of the North Atlantic (unless it's dead calm), I recommend that you come well trained, have good watermanship abilities and ensure that you enter the water with all your equipment functioning properly (including a snorkel).

Here you can expect to deal with cold water (30-40 degrees much of the year), strong currents, tides, waves, surf and rocks. Getting in and out of the water can be exhausting. Forget about being on your back unless you don't mind being thrown into a rock or miss your exit point. Add a tired or rescued diver to the mix and you will be pushed to your limits.

If you really don't think you need a snorkel, bring one anyway. Search and Rescue use helicopters and you may find yourself under the downdraft of one and will wish you had one with you. :)

If you honestly don't think that it's worth the time to carry one while you're diving here, I'll pay for your air fills. I think that this is a safe bet because chances are the only reason why you don't want to carry a snorkel is that you've perfected the technique of breathing water and don't need SCUBA either. LOL :D
 
I can't believe how contentious this topic has been. I don't think that anyone is saying that every diver should or should not always carry a snorkel, or have I missed something?

I can't comment on where, or how anyone dives. All I can say, is if you want to dive in many of the areas of the North Atlantic (unless it's dead calm), I recommend that you come well trained, have good watermanship abilities and ensure that you enter the water with all your equipment functioning properly (including a snorkel).

Here you can expect to deal with cold water (30-40 degrees much of the year), strong currents, tides, waves, surf and rocks. Getting in and out of the water can be exhausting. Forget about being on your back unless you don't mind being thrown into a rock or miss your exit point. Add a tired or rescued diver to the mix and you will be pushed to your limits.

If you really don't think you need a snorkel, bring one anyway. Search and Rescue use helicopters and you may find yourself under the downdraft of one and will wish you had one with you.

If you honestly don't think that it's worth the time to carry one while you're diving here, I'll pay for your air fills. I think that this is a safe bet because chances are the only reason why you don't want to carry a snorkel is that you've perfected the technique of breathing water and don't need SCUBA either. LOL :D

But, but, but... how do you use a snorkel with that big @$$ yellow helmet on yer nut?

:rofl3:
 
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