Knew it would happen eventually

How do you make sure an insta-buddy stays with you?

  • Put him/her in the lead, then stay with 'em

    Votes: 22 22.7%
  • Use a leash

    Votes: 5 5.2%
  • Just keep an eye on 'em

    Votes: 60 61.9%
  • Some other method - explained in my post

    Votes: 10 10.3%

  • Total voters
    97

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I was on vacation last week and I got stuck with this newbie. The boat cap would not let me go solo and I was tired of baby sitting. the guy was a pretty good diver and i could see he wouldnt hurt himself so I ditched him and enjoyed my last dive of the trip.

At what point is it OK to call someone a moron on SB and not get that comment removed by the mods? Can you ever call someone a self-centered a$$hole?

I have certified over 500 divers...

:cringe:

Perhaps I should translate for scubaflier:

Ihf yew dohnt tehl yur budee that yu gunnu dich them they miet spend dyve tyme lookin fer your assets. Dohnt be rohd.
 
At what point is it OK to call someone a moron on SB and not get that comment removed by the mods? Can you ever call someone a self-centered a$$hole?



:cringe:

Perhaps I should translate for scubaflier:

Ihf yew dohnt tehl yur budee that yu gunnu dich them they miet spend dyve tyme lookin fer your assets. Dohnt be rohd.


Given the number and nature of the comments posted by a certain individual, I feel confident in saying that you likely won't have the mods bugging you if you put him in his place. He really has it coming to him and I'm sure every sane individual agrees - mods included. At this point, none of his posts have received "thanks." Yet, many of the posts countering him have received numerous "thanks." He can't spell and he's rude and unprofessional. I'd never allow anyone I cared for to be trained by such a foul creature. I hope he didn't train his son to dive, unless, of course, the son has the same mentality as the father.

This supposed instructor is a liability to the SCUBA industry and he'd do well to speak to a lawyer, presuming he'd be capable of understanding one. He'd also do well to understand that you can't treat people poorly and badmouth them without cause unless you're willing to face the consequences.

This "gentleman" is clearly a person of low worth. If you agree, please give this comment "thanks" as a show of solidarity against this vile troll; that's exactly what he is. If he weren't a troll, he'd have the honor of joining the ranks of the lowest form of life.
 
I don't certify divers that would not be a good dive buddy to my son.

I can only hope your son has a better grasp of how to keep his word than you could have instilled in him...

You missed the point here, so lets recap:

-None of the posters have issue with solo-diving.

-Most every diver here has a problem with the idea of agreeing to "be there" and then taking off.

It really is that simple: if you say you are going to do something --just do it. We all know that if the dive is started and understood to be a solo dive... GREAT. Just don't tell someone you are going to do something and then flake off. Thats just rude. Being an instructor you should (one would hope) have some kind of grasp of this concept. :confused:

Lets try another metaphor example:

A boat owner/driver says he is going stick around to pick you (and your buddy) up when you finish the dive. After ten minutes on anchor he gets bored sitting the boat and decides to go for a cruise. You have a 10 mile swim on your hands.... still think to each their own??
 
Nice troll scubaflier.
 
At what point is it OK to call someone a moron on SB and not get that comment removed by the mods? Can you ever call someone a self-centered a$$hole?

Res Ipsa Loquitur

:cool2:
 
....so I ditched him and enjoyed my last dive of the trip.

Not the right thing to do but he is not here to defend himself.

I have certified over 500 divers and have never lost one yet. I don't teach just anyone I don't have to. If I don't think you'll be a good diver I pass. I get paid to dive so mabey I see it in a different light.

I will continue to dive and i enjoy teaching scuba. if you ever get to dive with one of my students
You can be assured that they will be able to take care of you and themselves.
I don't certify divers that would not be a good dive buddy to my son.

I hope your son doesn't get paired up with someone that "ditches" him just so he doesn't have someone near him. I can only imagine how annoying that is!! (sarcasm)

You said yourself it wasn't the right thing to do (to ditch him) yet you pat yourself on the back for only certifying those that will make good divers. You mean divers that don't do the right thing? Those are some really high standards ya got.

It's not that they split up...it's that there was no agreement ahead of time that standards wouldn't be followed. Search for a minute or two, surface. Had the guy said, "Look, if we get split up, I'm going to continue my dive" that would be much more acceptable.
 
Getting separated is inevitable.

No ... it is not. But if you believe that's the case, then it will be.

Getting separated is completely avoidable. All it takes is to decide to BE a dive buddy and put some effort and self-discipline into how you approach the dive.

Buddy separation almost always boils down to one or both of the following ...

1. You never really learned how to dive as a buddy ... you only learned that you should be in the vicinity of another diver at approximately the same time.

2. You don't have, or don't want to use, the self-discipline it takes to dive with the other person. You're not really interested in being a dive buddy in the first place.

Skills can be learned ... if the diver wants to learn them. But if there is a lack of will to either learn the skills, or the belief that they're not important, then that diver will always make a poor buddy, no matter what their skill level. The OP's description suggests that the latter was the case.

So how can you know ... when you choose an instabuddy ... whether or not they're going to fall into one of these roles? Keep in mind that diving with a buddy is all about predictable behavior. So talk through the dive, and establish what each of you should expect from the other. Remember, once underwater you can't really discuss these things. So do it beforehand. And judge from your buddy's responses whether you really want to be in the water with this person. Make it a dialogue ... if they're not contributing to the conversation, chances are they're not taking the whole notion of being a dive buddy very seriously.

Some things to discuss ...

- Positioning ... don't lead/follow unless there's no other choice. Side-by-side swimming makes it easier to keep an eye on each other. Anytime you lead-follow, the person in front is "trusting" that the person behind is doing what you expect. If they stop or change direction for any reason, you won't know it until you look behind you. That style of buddy diving places the burden of staying together on the trailing diver ... the leader is on a "trust me" dive.

- Communication ... buddy diving is more than just being in the water with another diver. You should be sharing your dive. Eye contact, hand and light signals, body language ... all of those are ways to communicate with a buddy. When you don't communicate, you leave your buddy wondering what you're doing, or why you're doing it. This often becomes a distraction that takes away from the enjoyment of the dive. So put some effort into interacting in a way that makes the dive "ours" rather than "mine".

- Goals ... you should REALLY talk before the dive about what your goals are ... because if they're different, the dive inevitably turns into a "push-pull" situation where both divers are trying to impose their goals on the other diver ... and that becomes stressful after a while. Make sure you're on the same page, and going down to see and do the same things. Staying together then becomes much easier.

Some tips for staying together ...

- In low-vis conditions, use lights. A good, focused beam becomes an extension of your arm. You can use it to give signals to your dive buddy, or just shine it every few seconds on a spot where your buddy can see it without effort ... if he can see your light, he knows you are there.

- Slow down ... the slower you go, the harder it is to lose each other. As a bonus, you're far more likely to see stuff that you otherwise might have swam right past without ever noticing it was there. Diving slowly also helps you reduce your air consumption, which can extend your dive.

These are simple things ... they reduce the stress of diving with another person, enhance the enjoyment of your diving experience, and minimize the risk that you'll have to distract yourself from the goals of your dive by spending time looking for your dive buddy.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
Well, I hoped it wouldn't happen but, on my 67th dive, it happen to me. My "insta" buddy left me on purpose ( what I found out later ). Only 2 of us diving. He's got approx 170 dives to my 67. 3 minutes into the dive, we were on a ledge at 48ft. I signal to him OK ? , he signals back OK. All is well. I look away for for no more than 30 seconds and, without moving from the ledge, look back and he's gone. Vis is maybe 20ft. I spent approx 2 minutes waiting in the same spot and looking around for him. He nevers comes back. I went to the surface, told the boat captain we got seperated. Captain says to wait on the surface and the buddy will show up and we can continue the dive. This is what I was taught to do. I floated for 10 minutes and he never showed up to get back together again. I then descended to about 20 ft along the shore for about 10 minutes, then I ended up terminating my dive as I was worried about him. I had over 1200 PSI left. I was on the boat for approx 20 minutes when he popped up. He said on the boat later that he just dropped down over the ledge and continued his dive solo, didn't bother looking for me. Boat Capt just rolled his eyes.

Yes, I know, I won't be diving with him again. And no, I never told him about what I thought about him leaving me, although I had asked where he had gone to. That's the only way I found out he dropped over the ledge. None of this was a problem as far as he was concerned. He had his dive, sure buggered up my dive.


Wow how could someone get on a boat without a dive buddy and then when given a buddy that apparently could care less about diving with them get on Scuba board and whine about losing that buddy. You want to point out that the Insta-buddy did not adhere to training. what about you where was your responsibility in this dive. what was your plan. plan your dive dive your plan.
PADI, NAUI,SSI TDI,NSS,ect and ect. this is a building block of all agency standards. yet you Whine that the other guy was wrong. Why did you go without a buddy? If no one wants to go with you self examination is in order. If now one had time to go with you your in to much of a hurry. Insta buddys are divers to or they would not be there diving. I got hooked up with a guy from spain on a live aboard that started drinking at noon and still made 3 more dives a day. He is a diver and i am a diver. he is still alive im still alive.

If diving is to much for you and you hve got to have someone hold your hand Quit
no one will think less of you.
Plan your Dive, Dive your Plan if you dont neither complied.
Why is it always the insta- buddys Fault?
each diver is suppose to be self reliant not totaly dependant on another when you reach your limits stop the dive that should be your plan. before you exceed your comfort level stop the dive

Diveing is not difficult divers are
more people should snorkel
Diveing is to much for some

Scubaflier: I knew somebody would find that it was my fault somehow. You ask about my responsibility in this dive. We discussed and agreed to our plan. Our plan was to go to 50ft, stay at 50ft and follow the shore line on our right until 1500 PSI and then to ascend to 30ft until 1000 PSI, then do a safety stop. We were doing exactly our plan, as I was taught to do.

I had been on the boat the day before, with others as well as him, having just met him that previous day. He was my buddy for 2 dives the previous day. Afterwards, he had said he enjoyed diving with me. He also agreed to buddy up and dive the next day as nobody else planned on diving that second day. So, we were buddies as we boarded the boat. We were both in agreement with that. I would never dive as a solo. So, in response, I never got on the boat as a solo.

You ask why I didn't go with a buddy . Apparently you seem to have numerous buddies that you can pick and choose from. Be happy in your situation. I don't have that luxury and I was 600 miles from home on a trip, happy to be able to be diving. Your "too much of a hurry comment" just seems assinine and totally irrelevent. You also seem to assume that no one wanted to go with me. He wasn't the first to tell me that they'd dive with me again. I'd get all the facts before you jump to conclusions. So much for your self examination comment.

Lastly, I don't need anybody to hold my hand. If I did, I wouldn't be diving in the first place. What I do expect is that when somebody agrees to buddy up, that's what they should do and accept the responsibility. That's what every other buddy does. I would never intentionally leave somebody on their own. I don't care if they have 5 dives or 500.

As far as diving with the guy from Spain, diving with him after his drinking is your choice. I would never do it and that would be my choice. You are just adding more risk which also says something about your diving style. I think I've found 2 people that I wouldn't dive with.


LMAO I defended the Insta-Buddy and im the bad guy but then sometimes I forget I dive for a living not for a vacation. I like this board its entertaining to say the least. the dive could have went like this and be posted somewhere else by the Insta-buddy
(insta-buddy)
I was on vacation last week and I got stuck with this newbie. The boat cap would not let me go solo and I was tired of baby sitting. the guy was a pretty good diver and i could see he wouldnt hurt himself so I ditched him and enjoyed my last dive of the trip.

Not the right thing to do but he is not here to defend himself. The Op could be right but some of you are only proping up the OP. If the OP was truly concerned that some peril had come to insta-buddy then a search and rescue should have begun way before 20 mins have passed.
The title to the thread is I knew it would happen. I would have found that guy before I let him stay underwater by himself for over 20 mins If i was concerned for his well being.

I have certified over 500 divers and have never lost one yet. I don't teach just anyone I don't have to. If I don't think you'll be a good diver I pass. I get paid to dive so mabey I see it in a different light.

I will continue to dive and i enjoy teaching scuba. if you ever get to dive with one of my students
You can be assured that they will be able to take care of you and themselves.
I don't certify divers that would not be a good dive buddy to my son.

And TSandM's response to the nonsense scubaflier spouted reguarding coldwaterdufas

scubaflier, your attitude absolutely dumfounds me.

When I get in the water with a buddy, I have made a commitment to that person that I will stay with them until we are back on shore or on the boat. If they have a problem and need to abort, I go with them. It has NOTHING to do with me being unable to complete the dive by myself -- I am probably more capable of doing that than a good many of the people new to me with whom I have dived. It has to do with responsibility, and the contract that is made when you agree to be buddies.

If two people want to have a pre-dive discussion that goes something like, "Well, we'll get in the water together, but we can both go our own way and if we don't end up together, then we don't," that's up to them. But if you agree that you will execute the dive together, you don't take off on somebody. There are two people in the world so far with whom I will never dive again, and both of them committed that particular sin.

In the OP's situation, I would have done precisely what he did, and I would have sat on the boat and chewed my nails until the "instabuddy" reappeared, and then I would have been utterly and thoroughly ticked off, and he would have heard about it.

One of the things I love about the system within which I dive is that we dive as a team. You get in the water together, you come out together. We had a lovely example of that when one of our team had to abort a planned technical dive last Sunday. He wanted to go back alone, so the other three of us could finish our dive. He wasn't allowed to do that -- one of the team accompanied him home. As we were shore diving in an area with kelp, it was definitely the right decision -- but it is part of our ethos, as well.

I just wanted to put scubafliers posts in one spot so you can easily see that scubaflier the kind of diver you do not want to buddy up with, or heaven forbid, have for a teacher
 
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