Are you a Dive Hypocrite?

[drrich2]

And what do you think causes all of that heart disease and strokes?

Obesity >> diabetes & high blood pressure >> heart disease & strokes

The only people who say that obesity does not cause all of these disease are... obese people.

Many heart attacks and strokes, yes...but not all. And these diseases kill many fat folks years earlier, often after or near retirement age, and shave several years of non-working benefit-drawing time off their lives. This should cut way into the claimed cost figures for obesity. I figure it's possible that obesity might still have some net cost vs. savings, but like smoking, probably far less than the figures the anti-obesity/anti-smoking people like to trot out.

Obesity increases insulin resistance and contributes to diabetes. Sure.

And normal weight people who work out & are very fit are healthier and likely live a bit longer than normal weight people who have moderate activity, yet we don't guilt trip the latter because they're seen as less healthy and more costly than some other group.

Richard.

 

[elan]

And what do you think causes all of that heart disease and strokes?

Obesity >> diabetes & high blood pressure >> heart disease & strokes

I was reading an article that explained that obesity is not in fact the cause of diabetes but both diabetes and obesity are the result of improper lifestyle/food consumption that cause fat deposits and diabetes.

 

[Belmont]

Below is the link to the FQAS site hope you can speak French as apparently there are only French divers in Quebec
FQAS Bienvenue

Let's get things into perspective. (Sorry for the "fat" sub-thread here)

Don't bring this "marde de boeuf" (that's BS in French) about the French in this argument. You sound too much like those poor Anglos from the 70"s that have never swallowed the rightful place the French language has taken in Quebec.

If you live in Montreal and you are fifty years old or younger you should speak and read French, if not you are really handicapped. By the way there are probably no more than a few French divers in Quebec at the moment and they are going back to France when their vacation is finished. There are however, a whole bunch of Canadian divers here that happen to speak French like me and English also.

BTW, I don't even have an FQAS card and I dive in the Thousand Island region in Ontario, because this the only worthwhile place to dive when you are from Montreal. I agree with you about this marde de boeuf government trying to dictate how we comb our hair.

 

[DCBC]

As a purely recreational diver, my personal stance is: if I need a specific gas (and I think most people will agree that at a certain point gases other than air are required even if that point varies from person to person) to do a dive, I will wait to do that dive until I can obtain the gas.

I do the same; although I look at it a little differently. If the dive is above 150', I will usually do the dive on air, regardless if Helium is available. Between 150-200' I'll use air unless the dive is long and strenuous and Helium is available. Below 200', I prefer to use Helium but will dive air if the dive is relatively short and not strenuous. I only use Helium below 250'.

 

[DaleC]

Richard, my response was just in terms to that article quoted earlier that suggested one segment of society cost more (healthcare wise) than another. To me it's just not that cut and dried. Personally, I don't go around trying to figure out whether patients deserve their illness or not; if someone needs help I just help (if possible).
The guilt thing is a big issue and one reason why I think one could benefit from some sort of support group if trying to lose weight. There are too many conflicting messages out there and it helps to have someone to give/recieve positive and meaningful feedback to/from.

Don't bring this "marde de boeuf" (that's BS in French) about the French in this argument. You sound too much like those poor Anglos from the 70"s that have never swallowed the rightful place the French language has taken in Quebec. If you live in Montreal and you are fifty years old or younger you should speak and read French, if not you are really handicapped.

Ah... so appropriate for a thread discussing hypocritical actions. Nine provinces forced into bilingualism to foster confederation while the one french province bans the public use of english (one of two official languages). Nice...
I think both languages had a rightful place in Canada and english speakers don't deserve to be handicapped by restrictive provincial language laws. But that's just me.

 

[Rhone Man]

Ah... so appropriate for a thread discussing hypocritical actions. Nine provinces forced into bilingualism to foster confederation while the one french province bans the public use of english (one of two official languages). Nice...
I think both languages had a rightful place in Canada and english speakers don't deserve to be handicapped by restrictive provincial language laws. But that's just me.

Hey, if we have to put up with French language imperialism in the EU, then you damn well have to put up with it in Canada...

 

[elan]

Come on people , there is no need to touch this subject here... you can always learn 2 -3 languages and enjoy all of them

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

Come on people , there is no need to touch this subject here... you can always learn 2 -3 languages and enjoy all of them

Ah ... yanno what you call someone who only ever learns one language?

American ...

FWIW - I love Montreal ... it's one of the world's truly beautiful cities.

Outside of Montreal, I don't understand Quebec folks ... they act offended if you don't speak their language, and sneer at you if you try to.

Mostly, I've just learned to avoid that part of the continent ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[elan]

I guess I'm lucky in that regard as I have not observed those issues to that extend
What you are saying is general observation of Native English speakers that I spoke to They report this happening in both QC and France

May be because I have an accent my experience is different... most times when I start talking in French I receive no attitudes Probably because they cannot recognize the accent and what other languages I speak

 

[Herk_Man]

Easy for you to make these statements when you are not suffering from the genetic predisposition that causes weight gain, two people identical size and age with identical calorie intake yet one gains weight to the point of being obese while the other is just a little overweight but would you make the same conclusion for both of them if you saw them walking down the street, in addition there can be many reasons that causes obesity one that comes to mind is the side effects of medication so give overweight people a break and quit making these generalizations

But your example failed to continue on the most important part, exercise. If two people take in the same amount of calories and expend the same caloric amount of energy exercising, then they should end up the same. Where excess calories get deposited may differ somewhat but the overall sum should be identical. Energy can neither be created nor destroyed.