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[JKPAO]

The whaler is making way, The SS group pulls in front of the ship. That is what I see. You can not tell me that they did or did not try to avoid them. They (the whalers) are doing everything in thier ability to avoid these terrorists. Noise, cannon etc...
I see someone pulling a bone head move. A ship does not turn as fast as you think . This is not a little ship or pleasure craft. It comes to reason that the SS group had in plan to get run over.
The captain of the SS's Ady Gil either was hoping for a collision or to make the boat turn out of the way. (which can not be done in short term) Sure you can swing the wheel but by that time they were already atop of the bat mobile! There are rules that apply to all captains.
Not just someone doing something us anglo saxons don't like. (I use this term because that is the term stated in the collective against whaling)
See you topside! John

 

[OldNSalty]

I agree, but I would add that if you can't make an effort to avoid a collision, you shouldn't be either. It's likely the Whaler Captain succumbed to human emotion and enjoyed ramming the vessel that had been causing him problems. Regardless, they both should act professionally.

I am not so sure the whalers didn't act professionally. The Cpt has an obligation to protect his ship. The SS group was attempting to harm their boat -recklessly endagering everyone. At some point you have to defend your self. I think the whalers have show extrordinary restrained up to this point and if the Cpt admitted on national TV that he saw a chance to send their ship to the bottom and took it, well, in my book he was justified.

 

[Tigerman]

maybe the whalers should turn the harpoons onto the SS ships . . . I think that would be fun to watch . . .

Why are they using water cannons. . . The Japanese should hire Blackwater . . .

Sad to say that Ive actually seen this happen and unfortunately I think it was in or near norwegian waters. Cant recall if it was SS or Greenpeace who ran a dinghy between the whaler and a whale. The whaler shot the harpoon over the dinghy, hit the whale and as the line tightened knocked people out of the dinghy.
Reckless on both parts, but I cant say I felt sorry for the dumbass who put himself in the line of fire either..

If they acted professionally there would not be a show.

Too true. Acting professional makes boring TV...

 

[DCBC]

...the Cpt admitted on national TV that he saw a chance to send their ship to the bottom and took it, well, in my book he was justified.

It's easy for anyone to say what they would or would not do in this situation. Given the cold water, the number of people on-board the SS vessel and the chance of injury or death of those aboard, I have to disagree with you. I can't see how the life of the crew aboard the larger vessel could reasonably be considered to be placed in danger by the smaller one. Using a vessel to ram another is using deadly force against everyone aboard her. The ends don't justify the means.

I'm not defending the dangerous actions of the SS vessel, to the contrary, however deliberately ramming a smaller vessel and claiming that he was "defending himself" is reading too much into what I see evidenced here. What am I missing?

 

[JKPAO]

At the very least the captain is taking what he did as an act of deffence. He is not sugar coating the fact that the people in the SS crew were there to make nice with the whales.
They were there to ram or stop the whalers vessel. this is documented remember the tapes?
Just because we think it is wrong does not mean we can take any action we feel is valid to stop someone. You or anyone else can try to convince me that the SS crew was not ready or had not planned to crash into the whaleing vessel. I just don't know. that is not what they thought would happen when you pull a dingy in front of a large ship? Did they think the ship would just stop? like with brakes? They are there to provoke some kind of action from the whaler to stop them from whaling and to engage them! It worked didn't it!
See you topside! John

 

[Kevin Carlisle]

At the very least the captain is taking what he did as an act of deffence. He is not sugar coating the fact that the people in the SS crew were there to make nice with the whales.
They were there to ram or stop the whalers vessel. this is documented remember the tapes?
Just because we think it is wrong does not mean we can take any action we feel is valid to stop someone. You or anyone else can try to convince me that the SS crew was not ready or had not planned to crash into the whaleing vessel. I just don't know. that is not what they thought would happen when you pull a dingy in front of a large ship? Did they think the ship would just stop? like with brakes? They are there to provoke some kind of action from the whaler to stop them from whaling and to engage them! It worked didn't it!
See you topside! John

Quote somebody will ya.. Its like your talking to yourself That way we know who your talking too.

 

[OldNSalty]

It's easy for anyone to say what they would or would not do in this situation. Given the cold water, the number of people on-board the SS vessel and the chance of injury or death of those aboard, I have to disagree with you. I can't see how the life of the crew aboard the larger vessel could reasonably be considered to be placed in danger by the smaller one. Using a vessel to ram another is using deadly force against everyone aboard her. The ends don't justify the means.

I'm not defending the dangerous actions of the SS vessel, to the contrary, however deliberately ramming a smaller vessel and claiming that he was "defending himself" is reading too much into what I see evidenced here. What am I missing?

I don't think you are missing anything and for the record-I don't think it was intentional on the part of the whalers. I just thin given the long history of the SS I would be worried about just what they were trying to do on any given day. Yesterday they tossed small, smelly exposives on my deck, this morning they tried several times to foul my props, now they are sending a small fast boat at high speed in my direction - a rather odd looking boat at that.

It can be simular to being harrased by some small group of thugs, one day they vandelized your yard, last night they tossed paint all over the house, tonight you see them dressed all up like ninja trying to open your windows...and 911 is a few hundred miles away. Do you shoot?

Maybe you don't. Maybe your threashold is, 'I wait to see if they come in the window' or 'I wait to find out what they want once they open the window' but maybe some people do decide that the threashold has been crossed.

I think it is hard to be the Monday morning quarterback and so I give the Cpt the benefit of the doubt.

 

[gotwake]

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These people are a bunch of idiots. Next time they may not be so lucky. The question is are you willing to die to save a whale? Not me! :cool2:

 

[DCBC]

I don't think you are missing anything and for the record-I don't think it was intentional on the part of the whalers. I just thin given the long history of the SS I would be worried about just what they were trying to do on any given day. Yesterday they tossed small, smelly exposives on my deck, this morning they tried several times to foul my props, now they are sending a small fast boat at high speed in my direction - a rather odd looking boat at that.

I don't condone these actions, but what you described doesn't warrant deadly force.
The conclusion is pretty obvious if you look at the frontal view of the accident. It's apparent that the Whaler deliberately rammed her.

YouTube - Ady Gil Being Rammed View From The Sea Shepherd Whale Wars

I just can't condone such an obvious and unwarranted use of force that could have resulted in the death of others.

 

[ScubaSteve]

I don't condone these actions, but what you described doesn't warrant deadly force.
The conclusion is pretty obvious if you look at the frontal view of the accident. It's apparent that the Whaler deliberately rammed her.

YouTube - Ady Gil Being Rammed View From The Sea Shepherd Whale Wars

I just can't condone such an obvious and unwarranted use of force that could have resulted in the death of others.

I do not see the whaler deliberately ramming anybody. I see the Adi deliberately getting in front of a very large and "fast moving" ship. I will say that the whaler did not seem to swerve out of the way but hey.....you play chicken you need to accept the consequences IMO. I do not believe the whaler deliberately rammed the Adi. I would give them the benefit of the doubt to say they likely thought that the Adi was small and fast enough that the Capt would get it out of the way.

Edit.....after a second viewing, that does seem that the whaler did not in fact correct it's direction as I had previously thought however this could easily be a trick of th mind based on the movement of the boat that was filming it. I still think that the SS knew exactly what they were doing and exactly what the stakes were. They got what they deserved.