Donning and doff your integrated bc??

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Ladyvalea

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ok the other day I watch some students take there BC off and place in on one bent knee with the tank butt facing away from there body. but they had weight belts on so they did not float away..
Now..how do you take off you BC underwater with the weights inside the pockets? cuz I would just start floating up up and away?
Now the insturctor said you need this skill cuz you may have to take off your bc to untangle something ....So how does one do this task without floatin away?
 
The best way to remove your BC and keep yourself from floating is to put the tank between your legs. However, if your a cave diver and plan on taking your BC on and off to squeeze into tight spaces, the ideal way is to wear a weightbelt.
 
When using integrated weights,I use just enough to keep me and my suit neutral on a weightbelt.
The rest goes in the BC.
So part belt and part weightpockets.
 
This is one of the controversial issues with weight integrated BC's. Many experienced divers and instructors believe you should be close to neutrally buoyant without your BC, which for some divers in some waters would necessitate a weight belt (or harness). I recently scored a nearly unused Seaquest Balance for $20 (Lahaina Salvation Army). The first thing I did was cut the releasable weight pockets off!

I do run 8 lbs in the trim pockets, wearing 8 lbs on my belt (5mm Aquastretch). I personally do not ever plan to wear all my weight in a BC!
 
I teach my students to distribute their weight on both a belt and bc if wearing an integrated bc. I have an integrated BC but never use the pockets any more. Since switching to a BPW for most dives I'm more comfortable with the belt holding my weights. I may put some in the trim pockets when diving an aluminum tank but otherwise I feel a belt is a better alternative.
 
Now..how do you take off you BC underwater with the weights inside the pockets? cuz I would just start floating up up and away?
You are quite correct that having all your weight in the integrated pockets can leave you with a floaty you and a sinky BC. In overhead environments (caves, inside wrecks, etc.), this is something you would likely avoid, but in plain old open water situations, it's not necessarily a show-stopper (although I am among those who consider it at least somewhat undesirable).

There's really just one thing to remember: Don't get separated from your air. :D

When you're in a situation like that (you floaty, your gear sinky), you want to do things a little more carefully than someone who is more or less neutral together or apart. For example, when you take off the BC and swing it around in front of you, *never* take both arms out at the same time. Instead, do something like this:
  1. Undo the straps, clips, velcro, etc. (but not the shoulder straps!).
  2. Pull your left arm out of the left arm hole.
  3. Swing the BC (and tank) around your right side. (If you did these two steps backward left vs. right, you'd have your reg hose wrapped around your neck, trying to pull the reg out of your mouth.)
  4. *Before* you pull your right arm out, put your left arm through the right-side arm hole.
  5. Pull your right arm out and put it right back through the other arm hole. You're now "hugging" your BC and tank, and you can deal with the original problem.
When you go to put it back on, of course, you do it all backwards. The first thing you do is pull your right arm out and slide it back through the other arm hole (where your left arm is), then pull your left arm out, swing the BC around, and so on.

By *always* having at least one arm through the arm holes on your BC, you make it much more controllable. If you *do* end up "hanging upside-down" from your BC/anchor, there are a few things to remember:
  • Don't let go! (Yeah, that one's pretty obvious, eh? :biggrin:)
  • Your fins still work. (I occasionally see students get in this predicament and try to pull themselves back down to their BC. Don't wear yourself out trying to do a pull-up (pull-down?); just start kicking and swim yourself back down.)
  • As soon as you're in reach, hook an arm through. (Don't rush to put your BC back on -- it only makes you make more mistakes. Just put an arm through one of the arm holes and hook your elbow on the strap. From there, you can figure out which end is which and get back together.)
Of course, if you're diving weight-integrated, be sure you know how the fasteners work, and be sure to check yourself each dive. On more than one occasion, I've had people tell me they didn't realize they were missing a pocket. With weight-belted people, it's usually quite obvious if the belt is missing; make yourself go through the "is my weight here and correct?" check even with a weight-integrated BC, and you avoid some potential problems.

(I would note that I've found several abandoned weight pockets on the bottom in my dives, but never have I found an abandoned weight belt. I would also note that I have recovered several just-lost weight belts from the bottom, but I have never been sent down for a just-lost weight pocket. Think about those two sides of the coin for a while. :biggrin:)
 
Clay siad it best.

I practice this skill with my weight intergrated BC every now and then. One thing I would add is that as you remove your left arm, I roll onto my left side, then as I remove my right arm, my left arm goes into the right arm hole. As Clay said, you are know hugging your tank with your back to the bottom. This is a very comfortable position.

A bit tricky, but easily done after a little practice
 
Ideally only weight required for trim is integrated and the rest is on your person in the form of a belt or weight harness. You have recognized what at best is a bad but manageable (with practice) configuration.

In addition the don & doff implications a fully integrated BC with any significant neoprene becomes a very heavy rig to handle.

Properly rigged and worn a weight belt is not the objectionable body bruising brute some make it out to be.

Pete
 
You should have seen me doing my underwater BC removal skills for my Dive Con course with a weight integrated BC (I didn't eeeeeven consider the problem). I hadn't practiced the skill since my open water course 2yrs before. My BC went to the bottom of the pool & I went towards the surface, hanging on by the grip of my teeth, dangling by my regulator. It was quite a sight:rofl3:! In fact my instructor kept flooding his mask laughing at me (I'm so glad I could be of entertainment value to someone:D). I basically just hand over hand pulled myself back down, put the BC back on & slinked off with my tail between my legs:surrender:. That was sooooooo embarassing:small:. To this day, I use a weight belt when I assist with classes, where there may even be just a hint I might have to demonstrate that skill. I have seen some with weight integrated BC's keep the BC VERY close to them & their center of gravity& do OK with it.
 
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This thread reinforces (other threads helped me make) my decision to stop at my LDS today & buy a weight belt rather than having it all in the BC. After my conversation with the store owner I'll diving with 8lbs on the belt and the rest in the BC trim pockets.
 

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