Vandenberg In Political Trouble?

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Key West needs an additional 1.3 mill or something like that, then someone has to pay the shipyard bill to get 'bail' the ship out of arrest.


remember that diesel fuel is about twice what it was last year, so towing costs will be higher this year also

the situation is all kinds of fluid, so take this for what its worth...

my source has heard that the vandenberg is now being targeted for a sinking toward the end of 2008. apparently, a large part of it has to do with getting money from the government at the beginning of the new fiscal year later this calendar year.

Just trying to clarify in my mind, If I remember the numbers correctly, KW needed 2.3 million by I think it was April 1st. They got a pledge for 1 million from one of the state organizations, leaving 1.3 left unansewered for.( At least to my knowledge.) I was under the assumption that the 1.3 was for the yard bill and and the remainder was for towing which at the time was not contracted/ arranged yet. Thats what was throwing me.

I hope your right Gator, If the ship broken up for scrap eveyone loses.
 
my source has heard that the vandenberg is now being targeted for a sinking toward the end of 2008.

This is accurate - December 2008 is now the anticipated sink timeframe.

Anyone want to guess what the final price tag on this project will be? :11:
 
This is accurate - December 2008 is now the anticipated sink timeframe.

Anyone want to guess what the final price tag on this project will be? :11:

Thats some good news for a change.

As for my official guess I am going to say it is more than the amout that they origianlly thought.:D
 
As for my official guess I am going to say it is more than the amout that they origianlly thought.:D

For just the extra amount they will incur (i.e., $400K) for dockage, etc. over the summer, they could sink a couple nice coasters. I know its not apples to apples comparison due to increased costs, but if it was, they could have sunk four SPIEGEL GROVES for what this is costing...
 
This is accurate - December 2008 is now the anticipated sink timeframe.

Anyone want to guess what the final price tag on this project will be? :11:

Hmmm..it's be nice if it was Dec 1...then I'll be there to see it sink, AND maybe get to dive it!

ACK! I'd rather it be down by then so I can make sure I get to dive it this year!
 
Hmmm..it's be nice if it was Dec 1...then I'll be there to see it sink, AND maybe get to dive it!

ACK! I'd rather it be down by then so I can make sure I get to dive it this year!


Just like the first rule of diving, don't hold your breath....
 
in the news yesterday...


Di Gennaro wants ‘Vandy' extension


By Kyle Teal kteal@keynoter.com
Posted-Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:01 PM EDT Email this story

Winter's now target time for scuttling

Key West and Monroe County officials say the May 15 target date to sink the USS Hoyt Vandenberg seven miles off Key West as an artificial reef isn't realistic, and some who have invested in the project now say the 520-foot retired military vessel could be scuttled by winter.

“I think the new deadline to try and move it down here is December,” County Commissioner Mario Di Gennaro said.

He said he'll push for a six-month deadline extension from the Tourist Development Council and County Commission for its $2 million pledged contribution.


“If they need more time, I'm willing to work with them,” Di Gennaro said. “We have to find ways to start raising money in this county, not raising taxes. The county should start thinking outside the box.”

Despite financial setbacks and unmet deadlines, advocates of the Vandenberg sinking insist it will happen and benefit the Keys' economy.

“It's not dead,” Key West City Commissioner Bill Verge said. “A May deadline is not possible, but it doesn't mean it's not possible to make a future deadline.”




Verge, project liaison for the city, said he hopes the ship can sink sometime this summer rather than winter, but it depends on funding issues that lead up to Tallahassee.

In the Legislature state Rep. Stan Mayfield added a line item to a bill that would provide $1.1 million for the project.

Verge said he's had many teleconference calls with banks, including BB&T Bank, that have invested loans in the project, and they will continue paying $20,000 dockage fees in Norfolk, Va., where the vessel is currently docked. BB&T Bank was at one time considering pulling its loans.




“We've been talking to them very amicably for six weeks,” Verge said. “We're all on friendly relations right now, trying to make this happen.”

Earlier this month, the shipyard working on the Vandenberg filed a lien against it and Reefmakers, one of the companies coordinating the project.

Colonna's Shipyard Inc. requested a lien of $1.64 million in unpaid repair and cleaning bills. The city holds the ship's title.




“They're indicating they're flexible,” Verge said. An attorney for the shipyard couldn't be reached.

The project is also 40 percent over 2006 cost estimates, in need of an extra $2.4 million.

Verge says there's no need to worry about the project dying. And he said investors including the county, city and TDC aren't at risk because they cannot release funding until the ship is sunk.

According to Verge, the U.S. Coast Guard doesn't want the vessel at its pier after June 1 - the start of hurricane season.
 
Not sure what they've contributed yet (if at all) but you'd think that the dive op's that will be accessable to her would start having bake sales or something to raise money, they're the main ones that will be benefitting from this...

I'll say this now, if I win the Powerball Saturday night, It'll be down May 15th! (and named after me!) hahaha!
 
Not sure what they've contributed yet (if at all) but you'd think that the dive op's that will be accessable to her would start having bake sales or something to raise money, they're the main ones that will be benefitting from this...

I was surprised they didn't copy the $10 medallion idea like Key Largo shops are selling to dive Spiegel Grove.

It appears that if these financial problems have "surprised" them this late in the game that they really didn't have a well organized effort in the first place.

I remember being in Key West back just weeks after the Spiegel Grove sank and one of the dive shops telling me, just wait until later this year (2002) when we sink the Vandenberg, it'll be better than the Grove. that was in 2002. 6 years later, still nothing.

so they've been working on a sinking date for over 6 years now...



I'll say this now, if I win the Powerball Saturday night, It'll be down May 15th! (and named after me!) hahaha!

You gonna rename it Buoyant1, the ship that wouldn't allow itself to be sunk?
 

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