Tipping

[jeter]

do we need to tip cows too???

This assumes the cows legs are rigid, which the are not the case when the cow is sleeping. You can redistribute the cows weight by pushing the cows body over the outside legs and tip the cow with much less force.

I do not recommend tipping a cow that is awake.

Jay

 

[aquaman_06]

"DMs and dive boat crew members don't deserve tips. They are almost universally lazy, and there is no reason for a paying passenger to subsidize their misguided carreer decisions. This is especially true if you set your own dive gear up or otherwise don't feel you need or want the alleged "services" that these slackers purport to provide. If they are so stupid as to work for free in the first place, there's really no need for you to give them another thought. You owe them nothing more than your contempt."

-Originally posted by RJP

I personally highly disagree with this statement. I have never had an experience where a dive master was lazy and did not help the divers on the boat in a variety of ways: both with equipment and under the water. To not tip these guys, I feel is in very poor taste.

I am normally pretty generous with tips if the DM was good. When I was diving off West Palm Beach, FL the DM's hauled your gear to the boat, assisted with set-up, cleaned and de-fogged masks and then one or two DM's led an underwater tour that you could choose to partake in. In this scenario I tipped a high amount since the level of care was impressive.

One day while I was there I had an enriched air tank that was leaking so I changed the O-ring. Still leaked. Turns out there was a very slight dent around the o ring seal. One of the boat's DM's went back to the shop (a long walk from the pier) and got me a new enriched air tank.

The DM's we went out with in NC were also excellent. I basically tip the DM's according to performance and even if I had a "lazy" DM I would give them some form of tip. I don't follow any specific rules when tipping, just what I feel the DM in question deserves.

 

[VooDooGasMan]

well if you read my post here on this thread, I said There is always service on the boats I have been on.

But Occaisionally there are divers that everybody can do with out.

I will give you solutions on how to help the non tipping divers to simply stay off the diveboats.

 

[Kamchatka]

"DMs and dive boat crew members don't deserve tips. They are almost universally lazy, and there is no reason for a paying passenger to subsidize their misguided carreer decisions. This is especially true if you set your own dive gear up or otherwise don't feel you need or want the alleged "services" that these slackers purport to provide. If they are so stupid as to work for free in the first place, there's really no need for you to give them another thought. You owe them nothing more than your contempt."

-Originally posted by RJP

I personally highly disagree with this statement. I have never had an experience where a dive master was lazy and did not help the divers on the boat in a variety of ways: both with equipment and under the water. To not tip these guys, I feel is in very poor taste.

I am normally pretty generous with tips if the DM was good. When I was diving off West Palm Beach, FL the DM's hauled your gear to the boat, assisted with set-up, cleaned and de-fogged masks and then one or two DM's led an underwater tour that you could choose to partake in. In this scenario I tipped a high amount since the level of care was impressive.

One day while I was there I had an enriched air tank that was leaking so I changed the O-ring. Still leaked. Turns out there was a very slight dent around the o ring seal. One of the boat's DM's went back to the shop (a long walk from the pier) and got me a new enriched air tank.

The DM's we went out with in NC were also excellent. I basically tip the DM's according to performance and even if I had a "lazy" DM I would give them some form of tip. I don't follow any specific rules when tipping, just what I feel the DM in question deserves.

You just have to wonder whatever must have happened to give RJP such a callous attitude. So sad in one so young.
Also, the dive shop personnel actually replaced the damaged tank they rented you? Or was it your own personal tank that was damaged?

 

[Gentleman-pirate]

No one has ever won a pi$$ing contest with a skunk. To each their own. Its time to stop beating this dead horse.

--------kevin--------

 

[Kamchatka]

well if you read my post here on this thread, I said There is always service on the boats I have been on.

But Occaisionally there are divers that everybody can do with out.

I will give you solutions on how to help the non tipping divers to simply stay off the diveboats.

Ah, yes. Now I understand. Thanks so much for the clarification.

 

[caymaniac]

To me this thread is really about people that can't understand that there are other cultures that don't think like theirs, they are close minded and would never think to ask if tipping is an insult or simpy not practiced where others live.
So big deal if you think ever DM should have a tip, would it be possible that there are people that come from other countries that don't practice tipping? And, that if they don't practice tipping they somehow must be cheap by the most extreme means.
Some of you need to travel more, I have not been to England, but I've been to Australia a couple of times and I love the Aussies and have met people that are very giving (they don't tip by the way). Don't be so crass as to put your culture as one that is better than theirs, just try to understand it. Don't be so rude as too intolerate divers like Almighty, just try to understand where they are coming from.

I can.

 

[whoji]

Great post Caymaniac - Better than I could have ever put it!!

 

[DennisS]

I will give you solutions on how to help the non tipping divers to simply stay off the diveboats.

Is this the new policy of the dive boat owners, if you don't tip, don't come on my boat. Times have changed.

 

[aquaman_06]

Actually I had rented the tank from a totally different shop and hadn't noticed the slightly bent o-ring seal. They replaced it with a new nitrox tank free of charge. The DM actually hiked up to the shop and brought the tank down to me.

As for understanding other cultures where this is concerned I agree with caymaniac unless of course there is a tip jar there as is the case with some dive operators outside the U.S.