Tipping

[Ice9]

and why am i responsible for compensating a DM's career choice???

Do you tip a waiter at a restaurant?

 

[almitywife]

Do you tip a waiter at a restaurant?

99.9% of the time...... nope

but in saying that - we dont eat out alot because my cooking is gooodddddd

 

[Ice9]

99.9% of the time...... nope

but in saying that - we dont eat out alot because my cooking is gooodddddd

Well at least you are consistent. When you do eat out, do you let your server know ahead of time that you won't be tipping?

 

[almitywife]

Well at least you are consistent. When you do eat out, do you let your server know ahead of time that you won't be tipping?

why should i? will they refuse to serve me otherwise? a business will go out of business pretty quick if that was the case

i just did a quick search and found a few waiteress jobs here at "15 to 20.00 per hour + penalty rates" penalty rates mean overtime (eg time and a half or double time per hour, shift loadings and casual penalties)/meal allowances ect. not bad rates i would think

 

[Gombessa]

10-Percent Tip Teaches Waitress Valuable Lesson | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

 

[Kamchatka]

good point kam It could be a dive accident tey just have to wait until they Know that all your air is gone before they do a search.

I was always a little fuzzy on the "DM is there to save your sorry a$$ thing. But, according to you they don't really save your a$$ so much as they just tell the recovery divers where they might find the carcass before it gets too ripe. Do I have that right?

 

[InkDiver]

Bottom line is this. There are those who tip and those who don't. It is customary in the US to tip in a number of different areas, restaurants, hotels, the piano player at the piano bar, and those who work on dive operations among others. Those who understand that this is customary and follow this custom, will NEVER convince those who don't that they should. And those who don't use all kind of excuses but it all adds up to the fact that they are plain out just too cheap to tip. They'll never change.

When I used to wait tables, I worked with a British guy who absolutely hated waiting on Brits, other Europeans, Aussies, and many others. He put it this way. They all knew tipping was customary in the US. They all knew that people waiting tables were making enough per hour to basically pay their taxes, but they feigned ignorance, because, hell they were never going to see us again, and why should they tip us, they didn't do it at home. It isn't a big secret in other places that this is customary in the US.

I have zero respect for people who know tipping is customary and refuse to. If you don't want to follow the custom, stay at home and do all the hard working people in service jobs a favor. They can be paying more attention to decent people.

I've read the many responses on this topic, and in my opinion, the "I don't need DM's, I take care of my own gear, I'm not tipping, we don't do it down under" attitude boils down to being plain old CHEAP. Sorry, but that's the way I see it. Sadly, nothing I'll say will change the fact that those with that attitude are cheap.

And for those in the US with that attitude, shame on you. You can afford typically thousands of dollars in dive gear, spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars on dive trips, and you can't drop a few bucks to the crew on the boat. Pathetic.

 

[Gombessa]

And those who don't use all kind of excuses but it all adds up to the fact that they are plain out just too cheap to tip. They'll never change.

Well, since you're convinced you can't change minds, I guess that explains your tone.

I tip, and try to tip well. The only time I don't is when service is bad, or I'm visiting some place where I've been informed that tipping is insulting (not unexpected/uncommon).

But you can't tell me that someone who comes from a non-tipping culture is anything but cheap if they refuse to tip in the US. Regardless of custom, tipping is quite plainly discretionary here, and I really find it hard to fault someone who has some principled stand against it.

My only real position is this: If you don't tip, fine, that's your call. If you do tip, tip within the customary range for the service given; don't "compromise" and tell yourself that people should be grateful that you even deign to give them 10%.

 

[almitywife]

.....I have zero respect for people who know tipping is customary and refuse to.......

.....And for those in the US with that attitude, shame on you. You can afford typically thousands of dollars .

hows life up in that tower

what gives you the right to determine what i or anyone else chooses to do with our money?

this "its a local custom so you must" attitude from you seems to be a polite way of saying give me money

what about those that save and go without stuff all year to afford a fab trip - then they are called cheap by you because they didnt give you a few bucks for bringing out a plate of food - which as a waitress pretty much tells me it is part of your job description


btw, in 2007 we spent over $30K on dive gear and trips - im not cheap, just selective

 

[InkDiver]

btw, in 2007 we spent over $30K on dive gear and trips - im not cheap, just selective

Nope, just cheap.