Censorship and SB..how far are we going to take this???

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Expressing opinions rarely leads to change ... if you truly want to change something, you hire a lobbyist and pay the right people to implement the change. At least, that's how it works in our society.

ah, yeah... cause there are ScubaBoard lobbyists out there waiting to be hired so they can pay the right people to implement change ...

and some things can be changed just by expressing one's opinions ... you just have to have the judgment to see which is which


Of course, one person's idea of improvement is usually someone else's idea of a setback ...

of course

that is a given whenever you have more than one person involved. looking for 100% consensus is not realistic
 
I must have misunderstood -- is someone holding a gun to your head and forcing you to be here?

If not, you have no grounds to complain. There's nothing wrong with asking for change, but the owners have every right to run this site the way they want to, just like you have every right to run your home, business, life the way you want to. Saying anything else is just air-brained hypocrisy.

The owners have asked for feedback on the board. They are looking to make some changes, and wanted to hear from teh members what changes we would like to see. In the end the owners will make their decisions, and I will support them.

This is not a whine fest. If you had bothered to read more than just the first page you would have seen the responses from the owners sprinkled in throughout the thread.

I know there are a lot of posts to read through if you are just stepping into this thread now. I am not busting your chops for not having read them all. I am just pointing out the fact that the owners have asked for our thoughts, and they are getting them. It is up to them to take them or leave them.
 
I like Jeff's view -- "Moderate the whiners."
 
The owners of this site have set the rules to make the site as successful as possible. If you find them so objectionable, you should be a man about it (or a woman about it) and hit the road. It's really not that complicated.

The owners have asked for input for up coming changes they will be making.
 
I like Jeff's view -- "Moderate the whiners."

shut up, you whiner

oh wait wait..

shut up, you stroke whiner

(sorry, dude... i ripped off your sig line)
 
ah, yeah... cause there are ScubaBoard lobbyists out there waiting to be hired so they can pay the right people to implement change ...

If you want to hire me as a lobbyist we can discuss my fees. :D
 
If you want to hire me as a lobbyist we can discuss my fees. :D

(my people will call your people)

(and don't talk to the press)

i have no comment
 
They are looking to make some changes, and wanted to hear from teh members what changes we would like to see. In the end the owners will make their decisions, and I will support them.
Things get changed frequently, some get noticed, others remain invisible...
 
Appreciate sharing your experience Grateful.
Insertions directed to the points and not you.

I think the rules, and enforcement too much based on perspectives guided unlike most of the world's population ... the rules too uptight… although I don't particularly like it I'm willing to accept it ... because the benefits far outweigh dissatisfaction. (My sentiments.)

...we had some loosening of the rules ... particularly in specific forums where people insisted on "local control". Every time it turned into a giant cluster that resulted in a lot of time, effort, and heartburn for the moderators. Almost always it boiled down to assigning "friendly" mods to those forums to try to keep things under control. And it never worked ... there were always a handful of people who insisted on pushing things too far, and ultimately those forums were either closed or a handful of people were banned and the old rules were reinstated.

Why not ban the PITA from the forum and leave the rules alone. Why should a 'handful' of people control the forum?
As for the posters creating Moderator headaches; take a look at the staff instituting cheerful holiday spirit.

- Y'all are blaming the mods for the decisions of senior staff.

Not my impression.

- You're expecting 50 or so people ... who come from a variety of different backgrounds and cultures ... to apply consistency to a set of rules that are primarily subjective in nature. That's just not gonna happen.

I thought it is asking for more consistent not literal as in every moderator would agree prior to application of moderator power.

There are some very active posters on ScubaBoard who are adept at pushing the rules. The fact is that the mods spend probably 90% of their time dealing with less than 1% of the active posters on this board ... and those people aren't looking for reasonable ... they're looking for "entertainment" at everyone else's expense. That's a reality of the Internet ... and some of those people are participating in this discussion.

Ok, Ban the ‘some’ for being a general PITA. Can the software ban a poster from a specific forum? BTW, as an Un Banned I’ve been pretty entertained too.

- Y'all think it would stay confined to an opt-in area ... it won't. Serious threads are hijacked here all the time.

And they go to another thread about it. Example: accident discussion and condolences (excellent idea IMO.) Stick ‘em back where they belong.

For the most part, that pattern's gotten much worse since the decision was made to allow "social" forums. Behavior, once established in one area of ScubaBoard, always spills out onto other areas.

Back to spillage :shakehead:. Is a new social forum just one too many, the straw on the camel’s back and over the limit? Not one more pesky social forum is ever going to be allowed? Is there a waiting list for when one goes away?

As I see it, the "culture" of ScubaBoard has been steadily moving toward one of contention ... because several of the people who post here want it that way. Fortunately, they're a minority. Unfortunately, they can easily disrupt any conversation anywhere on the board ... and frequently do ... to the detriment of all the other people who would prefer to keep those conversations on track and constructive.

Steadily moving contentious because the minority several members have the power to direct?

For some of y'all this is your idea of entertainment ... it's no accident that the popcorn smiley is used so often here.

Oh, there is a badge? ;)

... Bob (Grateful Diver)


As for the posters creating Moderator headaches; take a look at the staff instituting cheerful holiday spirit. :D
 

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