What do you do when your inexperienced insta buddy is set up for Air2.

[johndiver999]

An AIR2 or similar is not considered an alternative air source (AAS) by BSAC. Therefore, my 3rd Party BSAC insurance would be invalid if that’s what I relied on.

Well why were you sucking on an your buddy's air 2 if all of "you people" always have a safe second?

 

[Edward3c]

Well why were you sucking on a your buddy's air 2 if all of "you people" always have a safe second?

It was before an octo became common, we still taught buddy breathing then.

After finding the body of a diver I started carrying a pony, so I’m not totally reliant on a buddy.

 

[johndiver999]

It was before an octo became common, we still taught buddy breathing then.

After finding the body of a diver I started carrying a pony, so I’m not totally reliant on a buddy.

Thanks, I use a pony bottle almost all the time (and an Air 2 as well). When I am briefing my buddy pre-dive, I also make a point of reminding them that the (pony) regulator hanging around my neck is NOT for them, it is for my use only.

Seeing people die from scuba diving, DOES have a way of adjusting your risk tolerance and attitude- it has for me anyway.

 

[lizardland]

It is VERY different. Divers who are trained with a traditional octopus are taught that they donate this "EXTRA" second stage. There is no need to remove THEIR second stage from their mouth in a life or death emergency.

Failure to understand this distinction is a big F'n deal. It could definitely cause the situation to spiral into panic if the diver were unprepared for regulator removal.

Where does the OP mention that the other diver wasn't either trained or experienced in primary donate? I might be misreading it but I'm not seeing it or that he even asked.

 

[grantmac]

It's a solo dive the moment a "buddy" has equipment which you are not confident will provide you gas in an emergency. Which is why my gear is redundant, always.

 

[johndiver999]

Where does the OP mention that the other diver wasn't either trained or experienced in primary donate? I might be misreading it but I'm not seeing it or that he even asked.

It is what YOU asked. You said: How is it any different to a new diver trained on a traditional octopus and primary?

A traditional octopus and primary is NOT primary donate, well as far as I know. Perhaps you use terms different than I?

 

[BoundForElsewhere]

the main problem with an air2 in and OOA situation is now you have to be awkwardly close to your buddy. close enough, in fact, to feel when they pee.

now close your eyes and imagine...

 

[Joneill]

I would keep track of my spg and not run out of air.

Sure that’s all you need to do - I guess in your fantasy world
a regulator could never experience a catastrophic failure or anything…

 

[wdeutsch]

the main problem with an air2 in and OOA situation is now you have to awkwardly close to your buddy. close enough, in fact, to feel when they pee.

That would depend on the length of the hose on their primary, no? The OOA diver doesn't use the Air2, they use what used to be the primary for their 'rescuer'. If an instabuddy assigned to me has made the choice to use an Air2 and keep a very short primary hose, then I'd have questions for them.

I see lots of folks with Air2 setus using the longer "Florida rig" hose length/routing for exactly the reason you mention. (I am among them.) No crowding then on an OOA ascent.

 

[MaxBottomtime]

Sure that’s all you need to do - I guess in your fantasy world

a regulator could never experience a catastrophic failure or anything…

In nearly 3,000 dives, I haven't seen that. Of course, I do maintain my equipment.