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[pisauron]

Accusing influencers while spreading anti China propagnda is priceless. Who paid you?

But it is correct, there should be a Notifying Body that issued the ce/en certificate. And you should be able to ask them. Many fake this as well.

The real question is - who cares? Maybe the product doesn't confirm to the rules & standarts of dozen of other countries. I bet it's not certified in Afghanistan as well...

Is CE/EN the one and only certification that matters?

I never dive a regulator without a Norsok u-101 marking. Aren't you?

 

[BoltSnap]

(do warn me if I’m perceived as one, I might need to pivot back to hermit online presence

You influencer you. I never knew an "influencer" in the dive business, or any business, before. I knew "luminaries" but never "influencers" until now. Wow, the people you meet on SB are just out of this world.

You were hiding it all these years until now, and you are now finally exposed!!!

Lol

 

[Mobulai]

I do understand how the technical part of the standard works (EN250/A), just not the legal fineprint on the CE part

So.. who is the importer in the SG case, SG or the end user?
These 2 statements seem to be conflicting

Scuba gaskets take you money but the regulator is shipped direct from China.

This is known as Drop Shipping

You are therefore the importer and if by chance you re sell or distribute in either EU or UK you will be liable as the importer and are bound by the legal requirements of CE for BS EN 250:2014

The only folk they cannot touch are the manufacturer in China and the poor lad at Scuba Gaskets in Cyprus better take some legal advise sharpish as Cyprus has been a member of the EU since May 2004

If indeed the CE cert is referring to another standard not the EN250 one that’s a whole other issue — and would be nice if we all get a clarification on that

 

[lizardland]

The real question is - who cares? Maybe the product doesn't confirm to the rules & standarts of dozen of other countries. I bet it's not certified in Afghanistan as well...

A bit of a strange statement. It doesn't seem to conform to anyone's standards, never mine Afghanistan's. I would've thought most people care whether or not the regulator they are buying has been tested to a known, recognised international standard by a reliable test house. Particularly if that regulator is originating in a place known for having an industrial culture of stealing IP but still managing to screw up copying them, providing dubious performance specs and quality control worse than a 3 year old with a Lego set. Each to their own.

It reminds me of the glory days of rebreather manufacturing where everyone was defending a really shite Italian unit with a string of fatalaties attached to it that was tested to a directive for farm machinery because freedom or something.

 

[Mobulai]

till we get some clarification on the CE (which is important for me, it has to at least comply with 250, preferably A); I decided to open the ambient chamber and take a looksy at the piston from the other side

I didn’t take the piston out, but here I’m holding a “scrapped” mk10 piston beside the S2
The piston is the same bore (eyeballing it, I didn’t measure them) as the mk10 piston; and has the same flat channels
The bottom face (that touches the turret) seems ever so slightly thicker than the mk10, tge mk10 one also have smoothing chamfers at the edge — don’t know if that impacts the aerodynamics of pistons in any significant way

I have an mk10+ piston (rounded edge) somewhere in storage, I bet they would match as well

At some point I’ll take the piston out to compare stem length and also look under the microscope at the finish

I guess that would put the flow rating somewhere around 90-120 SCFM at full tank
I have no way of measuring that anyways

I also tried an mk10 boot and seems it’s a bit big to fit on the S2 — here goes my hopes to seal it, unless I decide to go into pouring silicone moulds

 

[pisauron]

A bit of a strange statement. It doesn't seem to conform to anyone's standards, never mine Afghanistan's. I would've thought most people care whether or not the regulator they are buying has been tested to a known, recognised international standard by a reliable test house. Particularly if that regulator is originating in a place known for having an industrial culture of stealing IP but still managing to screw up copying them, providing dubious performance specs and quality control worse than a 3 year old with a Lego set. Each to their own.

It reminds me of the glory days of rebreather manufacturing where everyone was defending a really shite Italian unit with a string of fatalaties attached to it that was tested to a directive for farm machinery because freedom or something.

It's not an International standart. It represent a standart in one part of this world.

 

[lizardland]

It's not an International standart. It represent a standart in one part of this world.

I never said an ISO standard. BS EN 250 is recognised in the 27 countries of the EU and in the UK. Even ignoring that, independently tested to one country's standard is significantly better than no testing any standard by a very long way.

I'm sure a Chinese SP tribute act is going to do all their in-house quality control completely above board and be absolutely transparent about their test results. Interestingly the CE cert that @iain/hsm linked to seems to have mysteriously disappeared.

I'm just glad I've got all the regulators I'll ever need if this is where the industry is headed. I can't wait until someone in Shenzhen decides to do a line of knock-off rebreathers complete with quality Chinese Export oyxgen cells.

 

[Mobulai]

I can't wait until someone in Shenzhen decides to do a line of knock-off rebreathers complete with quality Chinese Export oyxgen cells.

hate to break it to you, it’s already in development for a year now

 

[BoltSnap]

I can't wait until someone in Shenzhen decides to do a line of knock-off rebreathers complete with quality Chinese Export oyxgen cells.

They do, but not anywhere being quality at all. I can't say more.

 

[pisauron]

I never said an ISO standard. BS EN 250 is recognised in the 27 countries of the EU and in the UK. Even ignoring that, independently tested to one country's standard is significantly better than no testing any standard by a very long way.

I'm sure a Chinese SP tribute act is going to do all their in-house quality control completely above board and be absolutely transparent about their test results. Interestingly the CE cert that @iain/hsm linked to seems to have mysteriously disappeared.

I'm just glad I've got all the regulators I'll ever need if this is where the industry is headed. I can't wait until someone in Shenzhen decides to do a line of knock-off rebreathers complete with quality Chinese Export oyxgen cells.

Reminds me of the thread claiming Mares cert for u-101 standart is self tested claim.

Enjoy:

Thread 'Guide to Mares regulators from 2000-2020'

Mar 16, 2020

Part 1

This guide is meant to help answer common questions about Mares regs of this century and to assist those interested in purchasing or resurrecting non-current regs.

A couple of notes. The following older regs that were still available in 2000 but were being phased out are not included: the MR10 and R1 first stages and the III, Navy and Beta second stages. Also, dates given are from Mares catalogs and manuals and in a couple of cases responses on the forum by Mares reps or service techs. These never exactly match dealer availability, in particular items were usually available in the...

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